Blew my motor in the 2g help with ideas

[GstRacer]

ok fellas well time to replace the motor again. not real sure what happend but the motors gone, and it overheated like a bastard so not sure right now how the head is. Well what are some ideas for fixing the problem. DO you think i should do a built longblock form SBR or just like a stroker kit and put it in my block. help me with some ideas guys thanks a lot

 

[GstRacer]

also if im goin to go with a 6bolt witch i will mostlikly can i still use the 2g acc. like PS ALT AND water pump. well i think the water pump wont work but will the pulley be the same, i have ## pullys so just wondering if i can transfer them,

 

[Boosted98gsx]

everything will xfer from your 7-bolt except the waterpump and timing belt accessories. Dont bother with building an OEM 7-bolt, why risk wasting the money if the motor crankwalks. Nothing will swap over to a 6-bolt (internal wise) if it does, then you're stuck trying to either build another 7-bolt, or starting over and doing it right (what you should have done to begin with) and build a 6-bolt

 

[JTURBOGSX]

heheh you could always buy my 6 bolt josh or we could work out a trade for something

 

[ZmanIV]

It all depends on what you want for performance
street, strip or a little of both but not the greatest at both

 

[scrcco]

I would go with a built longblock if you have the money. Everything will be new or good as new and you wont have to worry about messing anything up. If you're mechanical though, and a re confident then go for it and build the motor yourself.

 

[GstRacer]

my car is just a street car. as for power goes if i could make anywhere close to 450- 500 on pump then thats all i will ever need, i should have everything but the turbo and the block to make it close to thats range. I talked to SBR about a motor 2.4 block with Manley rods and there stage 4 head and with everything i need to convert to a 6 bolt about 7Gs. I have always wanted a stroker, and now is the only time i think would be right to do it. so what do your guys think?? any opinions

 

[danielbui]

i say piece together your long block. try your options, search around build a list. one from the vendor of your choice and the other from various vendors, forums, classifieds, ebay etc..... and see how much you save. maybe the vendor of your choice is cheaper maybe not. sure SBR and /or other vendors are great guys but sometimes just saving a few bucks here and there is better than buying the whole thing from one vendor. they are going to give you a line like, " buy from us. our customer service is A-1. better than anyone else." but so is everyone else's customer service. piece everything together then take it to the local machine shop that usually builds motors for the dsm'ers in your area. and call it a day. the 1g 6bolt ports are alot bigger than a 2g 7bolt so porting shouldn't be a huge part of the equation. its mainly labor of machining, bore, and install. i hope i am not talking out of my arse.

building HP i would say go with the 6bolt. buying a whole longblock i would leave it up to you. it's alittle pricey but its kinda like valet parking, you let someone get the job done but leave your trust that they don't mess things up. but then again you got forums, classifieds, ebay etc.. to find great deals just shipping kills. good luck

 

[scrcco]

I am torn with the same decision. I am looking at almost the same motor from slowboy. It would be so simple to just buy the longblock. Everything is already done. its all put together from valvecover to oil pan and has oil water and timing components installed and better yet installed correctly. Or save some money and shop all around. I cant pick

 

[bryanwheat]

Yeah, why trust the guys that have been building motors since the dawn of time, have a good reputation, and can guarantee builds! Instead lets trust some nobody with a somewhat clever email address, has bad grammar/spelling, and probably has no idea what he's doing!

I'm sure he also thinks David Buschur likes to rip people off with his no-race-experience portfolio.

I am just trying to save this guy some money. Man i have been building mototr since i was 12 years old. Don't even say that i can't build the same exact motor as sbr or buscher, oh yeah, and for half the price. I have build al least 30 4g63's in my life time, and never had a problem with any of them. You pay like 4,000-5,000 for a motor with eagle rods and weisco pistons (700 bucks), new oil pump (200 bucks) bearings (100 bucks) machine work, (150 bucks), gaskets (100 bucks) head port job (200 bucks) , head valve job (100 bucks) arp hardware 200.00. That adds up to like 1,750, and you all want to pay 5 grand for it. that is over 3 grand for labor. Go ahead and buy a couple of those why dont you.

 

[ZmanIV]

A couple of guys out here have 2.4 ltr turbos and they say they are sick. About 500 HP but then you have to do all of your supporting mods not only to the engine but also to the tranny and drive train.

 

[scrcco]

I can understand with a longblock how the prices are pretty far off, but i was looking at either a 2.4 shortblock or the destroked 2.1. Both of those require a different block and they both come with a new 2.4 crank. I added all the parts seperately and i came up with about 5-700$ in labor costs. But if you bought the block from a junkyard you would have to pay machining costs. What kind of machining costs can i expect with a block from the junkyard?

 

[Stapl3]

Yeah, why trust the guys that have been building motors since the dawn of time, have a good reputation, and can guarantee builds! Instead lets trust some nobody with a somewhat clever email address, has bad grammar/spelling, and probably has no idea what he's doing!

I'm sure he also thinks David Buschur likes to rip people off with his no-race-experience portfolio.

SBR has a poor track record.

 

[danielbui]

hey GstRacer, off the subject how did the SBR clutch perform before the the fatal mishap?

 

[GstRacer]

the clutch is awesome. My friend has a GSX with a act 2600 and i don't know how he drives that thing compared to that clutch mine feels like stock but grabs really nice, and ya i only have a 16g but i have to be pushing highs 300 like around 380 at 20psi, i have all supporting mods so the clutch is holding well

 

[Slowboy]

SBR has a poor track record.

I guess that is why we have built over 120 4g63 shortblocks this year.

People with poor track records typically could not make such a statement.

You are my hero.

MGH

 

[Slowboy]

I am just trying to save this guy some money. Man i have been building mototr since i was 12 years old. Don't even say that i can't build the same exact motor as sbr or buscher, oh yeah, and for half the price. I have build al least 30 4g63's in my life time, and never had a problem with any of them. You pay like 4,000-5,000 for a motor with eagle rods and weisco pistons (700 bucks), new oil pump (200 bucks) bearings (100 bucks) machine work, (150 bucks), gaskets (100 bucks) head port job (200 bucks) , head valve job (100 bucks) arp hardware 200.00. That adds up to like 1,750, and you all want to pay 5 grand for it. that is over 3 grand for labor. Go ahead and buy a couple of those why dont you.

I am sure you are a good motor builder, but your a very bad businessman.

You see, those of us who charge 4-10k for a motorbuild have this thing called.... overhead....or cost of doing business.... I just now raised my shortblock price by $100.00, before that the prices were the same for the past four years, back before I had any employees

Not to pick apart your post... but here it goes!

If you have someone who machines your block for $150.00, run the other way.

If you have someone who does a $100.00 valve job on your head, you need slapped. If his "head job" only cost $100.00, I cannot wait to see the surface finish his 1973 Rottler milling machine puts on that baby!

Next time you decide to make a post, remember the reason this site is here, all the great vendors who support it by paying to advertise here! Think about that before making your smart a$$ post!

MGH

 

[ZmanIV]

I guess that is why we have built over 120 4g63 shortblocks this year.

People with poor track records typically could not make such a statement.

You are my hero.

MGH

 

[Stapl3]

I guess that is why we have built over 120 4g63 shortblocks this year.

People with poor track records typically could not make such a statement.

You are my hero.

MGH

But people in the path of poor track records make these statements:

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132647
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129824
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139950
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137663
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131891
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133382


Here's my favourite SBR motor reviews:

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133617
http://www.geocities.com/ftrkeaka/sbrpsi.htm <----Classic


And to better your track record, you have paired with the guys from Bullseye, probably the DSM vendor with the worst track record ever.

You are my hero.

 

[Slowboy]

But people in the path of poor track records make these statements:

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132647
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129824
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139950
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137663
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131891
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133382


Here's my favourite SBR motor reviews:

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133617
http://www.geocities.com/ftrkeaka/sbrpsi.htm <----Classic


And to better your track record, you have paired with the guys from Bullseye, probably the DSM vendor with the worst track record ever.

You are my hero.

Wow, so out of 5500 new customers this year, you found less than ten unhappy ones. So, my success rate is over 99.9%, or since you are a pessimist a failure rate of .01%. So, if 99% of my customers are happy, I am happy. I say to you and everyone else reading this thread it is IMPOSSIBLE to make everyone happy, in business, in life, in general.

For the people who are mad at me or my company, what can I say? We try our best. For those of you who keep returning, we thank you and appreciate the business very much!

With regards to Bullseye, this happens to be none of your business. I am testing the products that Bullseye manufactures, if they perform well they will be a part of my website, absolutely!

MGH

 

[larsrya8]

The title of the thread is "Blew my motor in the 2g help with ideas" not "I hate Slowboy Racing Inc".

I would suggest finding out what condition the head is in. That way you'll know whether you'll need a complete swap or just the block and front cover.

 

[endlessMyk]

1. Most the kids on dsmtalk are idiots.
2.Slowboy's quality should not be discussed in this thread at all...
3. ...but I feel the need to say something since they have been a great shop to me.

The day I was moving from Indiana, PA to NY my timing belt snapped. My aunt's boyfriend at the time had it towed for me down to his house (outside of Blairsville) so he could check it out and take care of it. I move to NY. So my car is sitting at this guy's house when everything goes sour and he decided to turn abusive. Well, I need my car out of there. I called Slowboy and they were awesome enough to go get my car, have it towed to the shop, get me a fresh head and just take care of it for me (they didn't tune it, but I think I forgot to ask for that). Even after they finished they said it was alright if it stayed there for a little while til arrangements could be made that I could get it. SBR has always been good to me, I loved living a mile away from them, hell Nate even offered to come help me change my starter when it crapped out in the middle of winter.
SBR, you are one of the major things I miss about living in Indiana, PA. (I also miss having Sheetz, no place up here has got that whole MTO/convinience store thing right)

 

[bryanwheat]

we are not talking about you, we were discussing how you and other dsm vendors charge wat too much for motors. No i am not a bad business man, i make good money building and selling engines, and about those machine prices, that is a standard at any machine shop in my area, i don't overpay for shit, plus i know the machinist very well. So get pissed and it is only you that looks like the fool. Oh yeah and don't forget the name.

 

[nicknorth11]

most people will tell you to swap in a 6 bolt, but a stroker is also a good option. it eliminates the most common theory pertaining to crankwalk (wrong thrust bearing) and gives a nice increase in torque and spool up time. personally, i am boosting at 12 psi (i still have my stock bov for another few days) and i run with people who are boosting 16 psi. that's proof enough for me that the extra .3 liters are doing there job! anyway, i vote stroker.

if it matters to anyone, i bought my setup, including eagle rods, weisco pistons, crank, etc., from slowboy.

 

[bryanwheat]

we are not talking about you, we were discussing how you and other dsm vendors charge wat too much for motors. No i am not a bad business man, i make good money building and selling engines, and about those machine prices, that is a standard at any machine shop in my area, i don't overpay for shit, plus i know the machinist very well. So get pissed and it is only you that looks like the fool. Oh yeah and don't forget the name.

I was bashing no vendor, why do you take rep points from me. I don't understand.