Big 16G Upgrade from regular 16g. IS IT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

[HybridTercel]

I have a 16g and was wondering if upgrading to a big 16g will make a difference.
Also how much should it cost to do this conversion if they use my 16g.

Thank you

 

[larsenracing]

Of course it will make a difference its a bigger turbo it will spool very little slower and it is capable of more power.

 

[Fabian972]

1st gen dsm the big 16g is a direct bolt on 2nd gen require an install kit you luck

 

[CanadianTSi]

Not gonna make a difference.

The "small" 16g which you have is actually a newer version than the "big" 16g.

Look at dsmtimes and check out all the small 16g's going fast.

 

[aadperformance]

Just start over and get an EVO3 16g, you will be much happier and it will make a noticable differnece

 

[CanadianTSi]

Or just stick with what you have until your ready to upgrade to something worthwhile.

 

[HybridTercel]

OK I see that there isn't gonna be much difference with the big 16g.
And I want a noticeable difference, I have been seeing complete T3/T4 kits on EBAY for less than $900, But I am not sure about them cause they seem kinda cheap and lots of things on EBAY are Chinese copies.

 

[Fb90gsT]

iS A 20G worth getting?
Does is spool up slower than the big 16g?
Also, what is the max psi of the 20g? I have a 1st gen, will a be a direct bolts on?
Sorry for getting a little off the topic..but it's just some qiuck questions that I have always had on my mind...thanks....

 

[BaddAssGst]

iS A 20G worth getting?
Does is spool up slower than the big 16g?
Also, what is the max psi of the 20g? I have a 1st gen, will a be a direct bolts on?
Sorry for getting a little off the topic..but it's just some qiuck questions that I have always had on my mind...thanks....

Yes
Yes
Depends on your set-up and supporting mods.
It is considered a direct bolt on, yes.

Not my thread, I don't care but if you have questions, try searching first and if you don't find it, start a new thread.

 

[aadperformance]

OK I see that there isn't gonna be much difference with the big 16g.
And I want a noticeable difference, I have been seeing complete T3/T4 kits on EBAY for less than $900, But I am not sure about them cause they seem kinda cheap and lots of things on EBAY are Chinese copies.

The EVO3 is good for 400whp isn't that a good enough upgrade?

 

[PieEyedPiper]

The EVO3 is good for 400whp isn't that a good enough upgrade?

I'd like to see 10 out of a pool of hundreds upon hundreds of of evo III 16g owners that have 400whp.

The majority of evo III 16g owners have not even broken 300whp.

You're missing the point. He has a s16g. This is a fine turbo and upgrading to an evo III is not worth while. Upgrading to a 50-trim or something is worth while.

 

[JayZDMX21]

You are 100% right, there is no need to upgrade from a s16g to a b16g. If you want to make some decent power go for a 50 trim and up. But what I found out is that a s16g is more efficient then a b16g. Unless its the evo 16g of course.

 

[bird man]

go for the evo 3 gt. u will notice a difference.

 

[dsm-onster]

I'd like to see 10 out of a pool of hundreds upon hundreds of of evo III 16g owners that have 400whp.

The majority of evo III 16g owners have not even broken 300whp.

You're missing the point. He has a s16g. This is a fine turbo and upgrading to an evo III is not worth while. Upgrading to a 50-trim or something is worth while.

Yes, yes. I used a small 16g on my setup and reached 300 whp and was very, very happy. Hellatious spool time and i noticed that this turbo was an underrated overachiever. go 18g or 20g net or go the properly sized t3/t4 setup next, imho.


A word on the 20g spool characteristics. my 18g spools like 100-200 rpms slower than my small 16g. THAT'S ALL! I imagine that the TD05H 20g would spool slightly less but it is closer to the 18g in compressor diameter than than the 18g is to the small 16g. Quote from Maximum Boost by Corky Bell P. 25, 5th paragraph:

"Larger or smaller compressors do not have a huge effect on turbo lag or boost threshold. The compressor wheel is the lightest rotating part of the turbo; hense, its contribution to the total inertia of the rotating assembly is fairly low. Boost threshold is mostly a function of the turbo's speed, which is controlled by the turbine."​

If you go TD05h 20g with the common 7 cm2 turbine housing, you will spool like a 16g for the most part. But you will not get the most out of your compressor wheel. If you go 8cm2 turbine housing or go TD06H you will get what you should out of the 20g wich includes a bit more lag and ALOT more flow.

 

[Whiplash]

I have that very same book, and I suggest anyone who has any questions about turbos to buy it.

 

[Spyderman7]

To get back to your questions.Going from small to big 16g won't make any difference worth paying for.To have your existing turbo modified to b16g would cost as much or more than buying a new EvoIII.Sell your turbo to offset some of the cost a new EvoIII or bigger.