best year make and model to build

[Corman12345]

Originally posted by awdEAGLEtsi
personnally i got a talon, but DON'T GET A TALON OR LASER!! cause its hard to find people that know about them...chrysler dealerships don't know shit...so you have ot take your car to a mitsu...i don't know...its just harder to get people who know about them. dealerships suck anyway. but if you can get a mitsu, do that instead

what??, OK, First of all the 1g (90-94) eclipse, talon, and laser are the exact same car. They are not made by mitsu, eagle, or plymoth. They are made by DSM so it dosen't matter which one you buy. THEY ARE THE SAME!. A laser would be the cheapest route then a talon, then an eclipse. Any shop that works on a mitsu will work on the talon or laser. the only difference between them is minor cosmetic details.

 

[tominatortwo]

They are all good 1g 2g its a personal choice, and thats the american way!

 

[Nighthawk01]

Originally posted by jmartinez1228
in your eyes whats the best DSM to build? eagle talon? eclipse gsx? 1g 2g? Please help, i am turning to the dark side and am looking for a DSM to build.

the one you have,, 90-91 tsi awd,, after a 4 bolt is swapped in. doesnt get much better then that,, the lighter of the awd dsm's and the best engine (6 bolt)

 

[HOOKSH]

Originally posted by herostar
I think someone's jelous because their car doesn't smile at them every time the see it... (j/k)

got to agree there hero, just because he has a 97-99 doesnt mean he can call the other ones ###. i dont personally like 1Gs because i dont like the looks, but i would much rather have a 1G, even FWD over a ### ass civic. a DSM is a DSM, they are all bad ass, and if you dont love ANY DSM, you should be on another forum, like ricerboy.com just my $.02

 

[jmartinez1228]

well i found a 90 talon 6bolt 4bolt setup, new act clutch, built engine with je pistons, new rods some other goodies, guy is selling it for 5k im gonna look at it sometime this week. guys got any suggestions on what to look at when checking out the car?

 

[HOOKSH]

reciepts: its the only way to be sure hes done the work he says he has. that is unless you wanna rip the motor and tranny all apart to see what rods, pistons, or clutch it has in it. the only way i believe anyone trying to sell a car is to look at reciepts for everything. thats why i kept reciepts for my $600 worth of new tires and my $800 ACT clutch, so if i wanna sell it, i can show what kinda $ is in the car, and so that people wont worry so much about what they are really buying.

 

[95TSiNewbie]

Looks like I struck out across the board. I have a 95 Tsi FWD, plus its "Wild Berry" color. I personally got a great deal on my car not knowing much about DSM's. You want a drag car, 1g 6 bolt 4 bolt combo is the safest way to go but with the right amount of money, i can make a Ford Escort be un beatable. Its really all preference. So no one likes my car.... thats not what matters, I do. Get what you like, dont let anyone else tell you different. If its a DSM, you got my vote, i'll never buy another car other then DSM.

 

[RuBiCaNT5X]

Early 92 for drag

Any 2G for autoX...

 

[importracr317]

Originally posted by 95TSiNewbie
Looks like I struck out across the board. I have a 95 Tsi FWD, plus its "Wild Berry" color. I personally got a great deal on my car not knowing much about DSM's. You want a drag car, 1g 6 bolt 4 bolt combo is the safest way to go but with the right amount of money, i can make a Ford Escort be un beatable. Its really all preference. So no one likes my car.... thats not what matters, I do. Get what you like, dont let anyone else tell you different. If its a DSM, you got my vote, i'll never buy another car other then DSM.

whats wrong with the "wildberry" color? i think it looks kinda sweet.....

check for reciepts- don't take the guys word for anything, unless you know em'....your trying to make money, you'll tell someone whatever they want to here to make a sale....

1G's are the best for a drag car- as said- 92 and earlier- stronger parts, add the 4 bolt rear and some good maintenence/ tune up and you'll have a real solid platform for a drag car....

 

[HOOKSH]

is wildberry similar to my car's color? if so, you got the best color, looks hot

ill say it again, reciepts

and like newbie said, if its a DSM, its good with me, some are better, but its all about what YOU like, you can make any DSM pretty damn fast so its all about how much you wanna spend, and what you are looking for (drag, autox, looking good)

 

[jmartinez1228]

i like the wildberry color unfortunately the one that im getting is black and will need a paintjob, but it doesnt matter a dsm is a dsm no matter what color it is

 

[95TSiNewbie]

I really enjoy my car, i actually like the color too(some do not). Also, FWD are fun if you get a real feel for them. I've beat an AWD from a stoand still and its the greatest accomplishment for me,to date. Im hitting the 90,000 now and things are breaking, which im glad to have a 2g DSM because there are more OEM, aftermarket and performance parts then Ican handle. Once again, a DSM is a DSM, they are all fast and can be reliable if you take care of them. Scheduled Maintance seems to catch up to people really fast. I actually would like to get a AWD 1G and mod it for like a rice-killer for the summer, and use my 2g as a daily driver.

 

[Keaka26]

Im on my 2nd 92 plymouth laser AWD, both were 6 bolt/4 bolt combos.

First one was build date of 9/91, my current one has a build date of 8/91 =)... Identical in almost every way. No ABS (Plymouth Lasers do not EVER come with ABS), no sunroof, no leather....They both have AC though...

 

[my_precious]

the laser, tsi, and gsx are all the same. rs is lighter just because it was a cheaper based model. Go with which ever you prefer in styling. They are all the same car, so if you take it to a dealer, just say what it is DSM. explain what car its like....such as if u had a laser, say its like a eclipse, understand? weight isnt an issue, you can always remove stuff from your car. Make sure u get awd though because launching will be better. most importantly, imo, is manual trans. this, overall, is better in performance. the faster u can shift, the better.

the best out of the three, imo, is the 1991 talon tsi awd. i like it because of the popups and tails. anyways, if you go all out, the rear end, tranny, etc will all be replaced sooner or later so it really doesnt matter. the 1st gens have better internals than the second gens....but if you want alot of power, you will mostlikely be doing a rebuild anyways.

but, as far as the cars go, the only major difference is looks. everything else is very similar, and what is different on one car, can be changed on another for a reletively low price.


just my 2 cents worth...

 

[my_precious]

the laser, tsi, and gsx are all the same. rs is lighter just because it was a cheaper based model. Go with which ever you prefer in styling. They are all the same car, so if you take it to a dealer, just say what it is DSM. explain what car its like....such as if u had a laser, say its like a eclipse, understand? weight isnt an issue, you can always remove stuff from your car. Make sure u get awd though because launching will be better. most importantly, imo, is manual trans. this, overall, is better in performance. the faster u can shift, the better.

the best out of the three, imo, is the 1991 talon tsi awd. i like it because of the popups and tails. anyways, if you go all out, the rear end, tranny, etc will all be replaced sooner or later so it really doesnt matter. the 1st gens have better internals than the second gens....but if you want alot of power, you will mostlikely be doing a rebuild anyways.

but, as far as the cars go, the only major difference is looks. everything else is very similar, and what is different on one car, can be changed on another for a reletively low price.


just my 2 cents worth...

 

[my_precious]

the other thing is....2nd gens are much more money. for a 2nd gen gsx its about 10 grand for one, where as a 1st gen gsx is about 2.

make sure u get a 4g63t and nothing else. im also going to purchase a dsm soon. when i get mine im going to do a 4g64 swap and a t4 turbo on it. ill let you all know the details when im finished

 

[Darktalon92]

92 1g AWD

Basically if you want power for less money any 1g will do, if you want to go for apperance and attract attention get a 2g.
The best thing I read was on a Nissan SE-R forum, they said "1g guys are hardcore and 2g guys are all show", in most cases its true....no offence to anyone tho

 

[TOF]

If its a second (hobby) car, 92 Galant VR-4. I know its not a true dsm but it IS the go-anywhere-do-anything-4g63t-powered-sleeper-that-seats-four-in-total-comfort-and-goes-like-stink mitsu that is least likely to get you arrested.

Otherwise I like a low mileage late 92 eclipse gsx. Not as swoopy as the 2nd gen but lighter and more fun to drive imho.

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by jmartinez1228
in your eyes whats the best DSM to build? eagle talon? eclipse gsx? 1g 2g? Please help, i am turning to the dark side and am looking for a DSM to build.

At this late point in history, it's becoming more an issue of what condition the specific car is in.

For purchasing, there's a large advantage to buying one with a Laser or Talon sticker on it.

But keep in mind the newest DSMs are coming on to five years old. It matters.

 

[ITSME4G63]

Originally posted by jdmawd
early 1992 stronger motor and stronger rear end.

ditto, early 92's have 4 bolt rear ends and still retain the 6-bolt motor while having the 93-94 look

The 92-94 talons look ways sexier than the equivalent year eclipses, especially on the taillight section, plus a talon will cost you less than an eclipse because mitsubishi is an overrated brand which makes you pay more for the diamonds. Having no sunroof saves you weight, and as stupid as it sounds, the car color being white , may keep the engine temps down a lil since it doesn't attract sunlight like the darker colors do.

 

[jmartinez1228]

Well i finally got my car. Its a 90 gsx with a 6bolt 4bolt combo, 91 tranny with new clutch. Urethane motor mounts and bushings all around the car. Motor is completely rebuilt and only has 750 miles so its still in the break in period. I got all the receipts from the guy with all the parts he replaced (new je pistons, eagle rods....etc etc) All i need is a radio and some shifter bushings im really psyched to get going and upgrading.

 

[eclpsegsx12]

I drive a 98 GSX and i love it to death but it is not the best platform to built the ultimate drag DSM. Its all personal preference here. You will end up spending more on the 2g to make it have a 6-bolt ect...but IMO, its worth it...

EDIT:I forgot to add that the Galant VR4 is lighter than any DSM and still has the 6 bolt 4g63 and a 4-door!

 

[Violater101]

Originally posted by jmartinez1228
Well i finally got my car. Its a 90 gsx with a 6bolt 4bolt combo, 91 tranny with new clutch. Urethane motor mounts and bushings all around the car. Motor is completely rebuilt and only has 750 miles so its still in the break in period. I got all the receipts from the guy with all the parts he replaced (new je pistons, eagle rods....etc etc) All i need is a radio and some shifter bushings im really psyched to get going and upgrading.

Congratz on your purchase. Have fun with it, cause that's the most important thing imo.

 

[nineD5_GS-T]

It all depends how much you want to spend, and how fast you want to go.

A 1g has a better starting point, hands down. It has a better flowing head, better fuel curves in the ecu, its OBD1, larger throttle body, larger turbo, and a better engine if you can get a 6-bolt.

The 2g has a 4-bolt rear end, dsmlink compatable if you get a 1995 (yes you can swap out the ecu for other years), better MAS, better exhaust mani, o2 housing, lifters (I know this is not speed related), usually are in better condition due to being newer with fewer owners.