Best 1g pistons WITHOUT boring? Keeping stock cy sz

[90CherryTSI]

I want to keep the stock cylinder size, what are the best aftermarket pistons to buy that are basically "drop in"? Also, cheapest place to buy them? I don't want this to snowball bit I need new pistons/rings etc, keeping stock rods tho. Thanks!

 

[dsmturboawd]

i like wisceo. im not a fan of je.

if you feel like machining the rods to accept 2g pistons that'd be cool imo. stock pistons have been more than good enough for most people, but if you want aftermarket ones, then go for it.

 

[90CherryTSI]

it's close to the cost of aftermarket pistons to buy em, and have the machining work done? After market can hold more boost and NOS, should I go that direction. Also people say forged can take anything you throw at em more or less, better than 2g. I also dont want to pull the bottom end to do this b/c it's awd, tranny and all that crap, transfer case, more labor. Trying to do it through the top. Where is the cheapest place to buy em that you found?

 

[am00re34]

I currently have ross... If your looking for a cheap set-up i would either get ross or wiesco. Mainly because they are a little more than 2g, but they are basically worry proof. I got mine w/ eagle rods for $725. so around $350 or so seperate..

 

[90CherryTSI]

Websites? phone numbers? Eagle rods better than 1g? Would it be worth it for the full set up? You guys know what a machine shop charges to put the pistons on the rods? Also can those drop in from the top?

 

[ITSME4G63]

http://slowboyracing.com/Engine/Eagle/eagle_rods.html

http://slowboyracing.com/Engine/Ross/PistonsWrings.html

 

[90CherryTSI]

it out though, don't see stock sizes on slowboy's site. Are the eagle rods THAT much better than 1g's?

 

[am00re34]

word of advice... NEVER NEVER NEVER buy from the website directly... look on the site then call to buy Usually you will get cheaper prices or atleast free shipping. I used www.showdownmotorsports.com. The phone number is on the site. I talked to the owner and got everything much cheaper than any price i could find anywhere on the web.

Depending on your future plans rods arn't needed unless your thinking you will break the 400hp mark or use NOS over a 75 shot. If you decide you want rods go w/ eagle, crower are amazing but overkill for anything you will do. I believe the fasted DSM's in the world use eagle

 

[ITSME4G63]

I believe the fasted DSM's in the world use eagle [/B][/QUOTE]

I want to fly like an eagle

 

[dsmturboawd]

why do you feel you need more than a 1g or 2g piston. both have taken 530whp and gone mid 10's.

machining 1g rods to accept 2g pistons is about 100 dollars. 2g pistons sell on the trader for cheap. i personally would go that if not just put in stock 1g pistons.

 

[90CherryTSI]

getting anyone to send pics of their pistons to me so I can get a good look at em, so used pistons and having the machine shop do the work and not screw up something. For $100 extra over the total cost of new pistons/machine work vs us doing it ourselves and forged pistons, I haven't found one person who said it isn't a supporting mod worth doing for future abuse. Instead of replacing the rods with Eagles if I were going to, do the ARP rod bolts make a big diff in strengthing them?

 

[hose101772]

You'll need to open up the bores if you're using forged pistons.If you're not boring the cylinders then you need to go with stock style be it 1 or 2g.

 

[90CherryTSI]

make forged pistons that are stock bore size if you have to bore them anyway? isn't it like 85mm or something? Keep in mind my cylinder walls are perfectly clean, no scratching or scoring.

 

[92tsifwd]

I need to know where I can get some 1g stock pistons and rings or mabey some 2g ones for cheap Im also not boring my motor.

 

[keltalon]

Originally posted by dsmturboawd
why do you feel you need more than a 1g or 2g piston. both have taken 530whp and gone mid 10's.

machining 1g rods to accept 2g pistons is about 100 dollars. 2g pistons sell on the trader for cheap. I personally would go that if not just put in stock 1g pistons.

I agree 100%. for those of us who build race engine on a regular basis it is not a wise thing to drop forged pistons in without boring and honing to the manufacturer specifications. ross for example have very strict boring and honing procedures and they will tell you on the box "DO NOT OPEN BOX WITHOUT FIRST READING THE INSTRUCTIONS!" each manufactorer have their own clearance specs! now if you want to know the best drop in pistons. i have used on several occasions jdm nippon racing pistons made by noa and they works very good. they are also a little stronger than stock pistons. just my 2 cents!!

 

[90CherryTSI]

why would wiseco make STOCK size pistons if you had to BORE the cylinders?? Honing I can see yes, but boring? Um, if you bore, you are no longer stock cy size??

 

[dsmturboawd]

also thought i would add that when the 5xxwhp #'s were made, it was the rods comming up on their limitations, not the pistons. noone really knows how high the stock pistons can go... i could guess but thats pointless.

if youre upgrading the rods and plan to run a red or a 3065 or something big like that, go for it. its not needed, but if that makes you sleep better at night, cool. as far as the pistons go, i feel its pointless to touch them unless you really want a different compression like 9:1 or something.

i dont know how much more i can add to this thread. im clearly a firm believer in stock internals. its difficult for me to advise on something like aftermarket internals which im against. i dont want to talk you into things here, get what you want. i just hate to see things terribly overkilled, thats all.

good day.

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

i have used on several occasions jdm nippon racing pistons made by noa and they works very good. they are also a little stronger than stock pistons. just my 2 cents!!

Are the Nippons forged or cast pistons? How long have you used them now?

 

[Turbo Talon DL]

Whatever you do, DONT GET ARIAS PISTONS. My builder dismantled my engine and told me that the skirts were shaking hands with my oil squirters I dont know how, but thats what was going on. The purpose of boring/honing is to make sure the cyl. is perfectly round and not tapered. I dont care how you say it LOOKS, its not going to be perfect. You need to have it torque plate bored/honed for new pistons. I like aftermarket internals because they're made of better materials and they're forged. Stock internals are good, but I would rather build a high-powered engine out of aftermarket internals. Forged internals are stronger, so less chance of metal fatigue.

 

[bastarddsm]

make forged pistons that are stock bore size if you have to bore them anyway? isn't it like 85mm or something? Keep in mind my cylinder walls are perfectly clean, no scratching or scoring.

Haaa! if your car has more than 50,000 i'll betcha anything that there out spec.

 

[boostedinaz]

Here is my take on this.

If you want to save money in the end build the motor the right way now. If you want to build the motor a few times and waste money then just drop in some pistons. Everyone and there mom wants to have the coolest and best motor with forged oil pans, and NASA spec pistons, just to run a 16g or run low 13's on there 50trim. Nice waste of money. There argument is that the motor can take more and wont break. No it wont. Forged internals are nice, if you ned them, but if the tune is ####ed it will kill a forged motor just as fast as a cast motor.

Buy .020 over 2G pistons and have them fitted to 1G rods and you will have a nive motor that will hold anything you can throw it at with a proper tune.