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[KBR]

I wish I could get a ride in a 500whp DSM. That must feel absolutely amazing.

wanna ride in a 687 whp FWD 2G DSM?? let me know .



anywayz, good #'s on the car. but aint that low on power if your boosting @ 35 psi?? and on E85??


aite, peace.

 

[pneumo]

"but aint that low on power if your boosting @ 35 psi?? and on E85??"

I don't hear him complaining
I wouldn't complain either!

 

[juanpac0]

wanna ride in a 687 whp FWD 2G DSM?? let me know .



anywayz, good #'s on the car. but aint that low on power if your boosting @ 35 psi?? and on E85??


aite, peace.

Lol, sure, you goin' to the Union City meet?

Edit: Do you even get traction in 5th?

 

[Savage Talon]

wanna ride in a 687 whp FWD 2G DSM?? let me know .



anywayz, good #'s on the car. but aint that low on power if your boosting @ 35 psi?? and on E85??


aite, peace.

Not for a stock intake manifold with 250k miles worth of black oily goo in it and a Mitsu bolt on turbine housing, stock ignition, and NGK wires. Nothing special about a lot of the parts I have on my car. I'm amazed that 18 year old stock parts do as well as they have.

 

[KBR]

"but aint that low on power if your boosting @ 35 psi?? and on E85??"

I don't hear him complaining
I wouldn't complain either!

well thats true! 500+ whp is plenty enough already, specially for a street car . I was just wondering about why it only made and that much HP @ 35 psi?

Lol, sure, you goin' to the Union City meet?

Edit: Do you even get traction in 5th?

no, I dont think it will be a good idea to bring our race car there

also, I dont think it gets traction at 5th. not unless we're doing 150+ mph.



aite, peace.

 

[KBR]

Not for a stock intake manifold with 250k miles worth of black oily goo in it and a Mitsu bolt on turbine housing, stock ignition, and NGK wires. Nothing special about a lot of the parts I have on my car. I'm amazed that 18 year old stock parts do as well as they have.

I see, that should explain it as well. damn, 35 psi on a stock intake manifold is ###ken ridiculous! now Im surprised that the intake manifold took that much boost! I remembered back in the days, people be blowing up their Cyclone intake manifolds when boosting past 25 psi!


aite, peace.

 

[juanpac0]

well thats true! 500+ whp is plenty enough already, specially for a street car . I was just wondering about why it only made and that much HP @ 35 psi?





no, I dont think it will be a good idea to bring our race car there

also, I dont think it gets traction at 5th. not unless we're doing 150+ mph.



aite, peace.

some people tow their race cars to meets, come on get with the program!

There was a gutted IROC-Z a few weekends ago at Serramonte with huge slicks in the back, they had it on the back of their truck.

 

[KBR]

some people tow their race cars to meets, come on get with the program!

There was a gutted IROC-Z a few weekends ago at Serramonte with huge slicks in the back, they had it on the back of their truck.

well, I'll ask Gixxer_Drew and see if he want to bring his pos Eclipse

also, is it ok to bring a few Supra's along at the meat??


aite, peace.

 

[Killa_dsm]

well, I'll ask Gixxer_Drew and see if he want to bring his pos Eclipse

also, is it ok to bring a few Supra's along at the meat??


aite, peace.

Hell yeah bring that dsm out! ANd for sure bring along some Supra's. Maybe the SF dsm guys can all drive out there together.

 

[FFTEC]

I tune anywhere from 3-6 Evo's a week and have seen comparisons to every dyno in the bay area. The current trends I've seen over the past few years is that GST motorsports and ours read fairly similar along with Speed Elements. I've had quite a few cars come from the Works Dyno and every one of them reads 10-12% higher than our dyno. FWIW 538HP X 1.1 is approx 598HP on the Works Dyno. To go the other way around XXXHP X .90 gives approx what a car dyno's @ Works makes on Full Functions. Most Evo people already know that. Many people on this forum also don't know this but our Mustang dyno typically reads about 16-18% less than any of the local dyno jets. This has also been confirmed several times and is a subject that has been beaten to death. Everybody who boasts huge numbers and straps down to our dyno leaves heatbroken.

The boost level isn't much of a factor to consider VS HP. Several different variables can contribute to this. For example a stock 1G block has a lower static compression than a stock 2G block. Due to the lower compression of 1G block it always takes a 2-3 more PSI to make the same power as a stock 2G block. The static compression of the piston and/or cylinder head can dramatically change what boost is required for what HP. The camshafts also change the dynamic compression of the engine also changing the boost requirements for different HP levels. As stated earlier our dyno reads lower than most dyno's. With the compilation of just the 3 variables listed it's hard to make an educated guess as to what HP a car should make @ a certain boost level.

I can almost always call out what HP a 4g63 setup will make before it even hits the rollers of our dyno. This is due purely to how many Evo's and DSM's come through here. However Brandon's car was hard to judge due to a handicapped setup, considering he has the stock LEAKING throttle body, stock UNPORTED intake manifold, Mitsubishi stock evo III exhaust manifold, and Mitsubishi style exhaust housing.

It's been proven time and time again that a 2900LB AWD car making 430HP on our dyno can run as fast as 10.75 with trap speeds greater than 130MPH on street tires.
The worlds fastest all turbo 14b only makes 320-330 on our dyno and runs mid 11sec QTR mile times. There are literally hundreds people who can testify to these facts. If Brandon put his car on a diet and got some good seat time he can trap in the 138MPH range putting him in the 9 Sec territory.

I can take none of the credit for this car. This is 100% Brandon Built. I just wanted to put out actual proven facts that people can relate to. Based on these facts people can better understand how Potent his car really is.

Good Job Brandon!

 

[toofast82]

FFTec, thanks for clearing up the numbers for us!

 

[T9S1i]

Good post Sean!!!
I understood some of that from speaking with you in person, but its good to see it typed in a well thought out and organized post.
Sean, Ive been unemployed for the last month and a half but i just got hired again and start work monday, so look forward to seeing my car through a new clutch and then a tune, with possibly a SMIM and cam upgrade soon after that, with another tune of course!!!
DSMLink V3 will be in there sometime as well!!!




Brandon, that car is going to be a beast this year!!! I cant wait to see it at the track. Do you plan on going to Infineon or SAC more often?

 

[pneumo]

Well said, Sean.

Brandon, your in the enviable position of not only knowing exactly what you need to do to get more power, but you're already making way more power than many others have done. It can only get better!

Then again, I still have the freakin 14b on my car. I should take my own advice.

 

[KBR]

I tune anywhere from 3-6 Evo's a week and have seen comparisons to every dyno in the bay area. The current trends I've seen over the past few years is that GST motorsports and ours read fairly similar along with Speed Elements. I've had quite a few cars come from the Works Dyno and every one of them reads 10-12% higher than our dyno. FWIW 538HP X 1.1 is approx 598HP on the Works Dyno. To go the other way around XXXHP X .90 gives approx what a car dyno's @ Works makes on Full Functions. Most Evo people already know that. Many people on this forum also don't know this but our Mustang dyno typically reads about 16-18% less than any of the local dyno jets. This has also been confirmed several times and is a subject that has been beaten to death. Everybody who boasts huge numbers and straps down to our dyno leaves heatbroken.

The boost level isn't much of a factor to consider VS HP. Several different variables can contribute to this. For example a stock 1G block has a lower static compression than a stock 2G block. Due to the lower compression of 1G block it always takes a 2-3 more PSI to make the same power as a stock 2G block. The static compression of the piston and/or cylinder head can dramatically change what boost is required for what HP. The camshafts also change the dynamic compression of the engine also changing the boost requirements for different HP levels. As stated earlier our dyno reads lower than most dyno's. With the compilation of just the 3 variables listed it's hard to make an educated guess as to what HP a car should make @ a certain boost level.

I can almost always call out what HP a 4g63 setup will make before it even hits the rollers of our dyno. This is due purely to how many Evo's and DSM's come through here. However Brandon's car was hard to judge due to a handicapped setup, considering he has the stock LEAKING throttle body, stock UNPORTED intake manifold, Mitsubishi stock evo III exhaust manifold, and Mitsubishi style exhaust housing.

It's been proven time and time again that a 2900LB AWD car making 430HP on our dyno can run as fast as 10.75 with trap speeds greater than 130MPH on street tires.
The worlds fastest all turbo 14b only makes 320-330 on our dyno and runs mid 11sec QTR mile times. There are literally hundreds people who can testify to these facts. If Brandon put his car on a diet and got some good seat time he can trap in the 138MPH range putting him in the 9 Sec territory.

I can take none of the credit for this car. This is 100% Brandon Built. I just wanted to put out actual proven facts that people can relate to. Based on these facts people can better understand how Potent his car really is.

Good Job Brandon!

hey how much you guys charge for a Dyno run??

Im really intrigued about the Mustang Dyno since all I hear from those dyno's is that it reads lower.


aite, peace.

 

[T9S1i]

im no expert...probably far from, but from my understanding, a mustang dyno puts a more real-life load on the car so what it does on the dyno, it will do exactly on the street whereas others who have dyno'd on a dynojet get off the dyno and onto the street and are maybe running a different boost setting then when on the dyno and the tune will be a little off from what it was on the dyno.
Like i said i have no real world data on this, its all hearsay, but thats my understanding....

 

[Dwnshft]

How much to get a dyno run at FFTEC?

 

[Savage Talon]

I'm not sure it depends on what you want. It was $200 a hour for him to tune my car on the dyno. But if your just looking for a baseline run I'm sure it would be cheaper.

 

[KFT0001]

Here's their rates from their website.