Almost to the 300hp CLUB?

[2gevilgst]

1995 Eclipse GS-T here are the Mods

MY Goal is 300hp to 330hp to the WHEELS with race gas

DO I need anything else to make that Power?

1.Evo3 turbo
2.Injen Intake
3.NGK spark plugs and wires
4.Denso 660cc Injectors
5.Walbro 255 Fuel pump
6.Apexi S-AFC 2
7.PLX M-300 Wideband
8.RnRracing Down pipe
9.3' CAT
10.Apexi N1 Exh
11.Greddy turbo timer
12.Greddy Profec B 2 EBC
13.APR flex bar
14.Rear Otto strut bar
15.soon to come INTERCOOLER
16.TOKICO Illumina with spings combo

 

[CanadianTSi]

With a FMIC a good tuning you should be able to do 300whp on pump gas...

 

[RedRex02]

With a FMIC a good tuning you should be able to do 300whp on pump gas...

I would guess you should see 300, granted the tuner knows what he is doing. It is all in the tune!

 

[spyderturbo007]

This is what I would do:

Sell the EBC, SAFC-II, 660cc injectors and your logger. Then use that money to pick up DSMLink, some 1000cc injectors and an AFPR. After you make sure that your ECU is an EPROM.

Actually, better yet, is just trade ECU's with me.

But yes, as always CanadianTsi is correct, an intercooler will provide you with great gains. You get a rep point, as I think it's been awhile since I gave you one.

EDIT > It says that I need to "spread some points around before I can give you another one"

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I will have to disagree. 1000cc injectors are not even close to be required when running such a small turbo like 16G. 550's will do perfectly fine with the aforementioned mod list. It is definitely possible to run any type of turbo at any boost with dsmlink (Providing you can tune it that way), but even 680's are overkill for an e316G.

 

[FWD98GST]

are u still on your stock exhaust manifold?

 

[blcknspo0ln]

are u still on your stock exhaust manifold?

I hope you're not implying that he'll need an aftermarket one WTF

 

[truwarrior]

1995 Eclipse GS-T here are the Mods

MY Goal is 300hp to 330hp to the WHEELS with race gas

DO I need anything else to make that Power?

1.Evo3 turbo
2.Injen Intake
3.NGK spark plugs and wires
4.Denso 660cc Injectors
5.Walbro 255 Fuel pump
6.Apexi S-AFC 2
7.PLX M-300 Wideband
8.RnRracing Down pipe
9.3' CAT
10.Apexi N1 Exh
11.Greddy turbo timer
12.Greddy Profec B 2 EBC
13.APR flex bar
14.Rear Otto strut bar
15.soon to come INTERCOOLER
16.TOKICO Illumina with spings combo

Why not just get a 190 fuel pump, rewire kit, and some 680s? My 190 unwired was enough fuel for about 18-19psi. At 20psi it started to lean out at 6000. After the rewire my a/f ratio showed I have enough fuel at 20psi+.

My fuel trims are fine with just the 190 rewired and I couldn't be happier with my fuel setup.

I have stock cams with a hahn fmic.

 

[skier_du]

I will have to disagree. 1000cc injectors are not even close to be required when running such a small turbo like 16G. 550's will do perfectly fine with the aforementioned mod list. It is definitely possible to run any type of turbo at any boost with dsmlink (Providing you can tune it that way), but even 680's are overkill for an e316G.

The reason for getting large injectors when someone gets DSMLink is not to size them the smallest possible, but the largest possible because one will never need to upgrade again. Many people will want more at some point, and with Link large injectors will idle like small ones and won't have to run at high idc to flow enough fuel. So why buy injectors twice or more? Oh, and considering and e3 can make as much as 400whp, definitly 300+ on basic setups, 550's are not enough. Try doing the calculations to see for yourself, or to see what size is needed.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Your arguement makes perfect sense.. but 1000cc is a bit overkill for anything less than a freakin t67

 

[skier_du]

I'm not nescessarily saying to go with 1000cc, but overkill doesn't really matter in this case unless there is a large price difference between, say 720 and 1000. And actually, people who are looking to max out turbos the size of an FP3052 and large on pump will want something close to 1000cc, Dre, for example. Personally, and many well accomplished DSMr's that I know, I would not go with less than 720 if going with the Link. But the beautiful thing about cars, people can do as they like.

 

[truwarrior]

A lot depends on the design, but you should get better atomization with a smaller injector.

Anyone with larger injectors want to comment on their mgp?

 

[fallenauthority]

MPG would not change unless you actually utilized the full amount the injector could flow. Thats the whole point of tuning, to flow the amount you need, nothing excess, nothing less.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I'm not nescessarily saying to go with 1000cc, but overkill doesn't really matter in this case unless there is a large price difference between, say 720 and 1000. And actually, people who are looking to max out turbos the size of an FP3052 and large on pump will want something close to 1000cc, Dre, for example. Personally, and many well accomplished DSMr's that I know, I would not go with less than 720 if going with the Link. But the beautiful thing about cars, people can do as they like.

Again, you and I are both on the same wavelength here. Except DSMLINK nor 1000cc (or even 720cc) injectors are needed to hit 300whp out of a turbo DSM. I'm sure you and I both know that. That's all I'm trying to tell ya

 

[98evoIIIpwr]

afpr

 

[kevingst]

As it is right now, his 660's are fine. Hell, I'm running 650's on a 50trim @ 22psi and duty cycle is maxing at 84%. And I'm only using the walbro 190. Like the other guys said: afpr and fmic and you're good to go. I will add, however, it'd be alot easier with DSMLink. So like dude also said above: 86 the safc and ebc, get a good manual bc and Link (if you're eprom, of course. Best of luck to ya on that)

 

[spyderturbo007]

I will have to disagree. 1000cc injectors are not even close to be required when running such a small turbo like 16G. 550's will do perfectly fine with the aforementioned mod list. It is definitely possible to run any type of turbo at any boost with dsmlink (Providing you can tune it that way), but even 680's are overkill for an e316G.

Yes, I know that you don't need 1000cc injectors to run a 16g. The point is, that you can overkill on the injectors and still have the vehicle idle like stock.

That way, in a year, when he is ready to get rid of the 16g, there will be no reason to upgrade the injectors.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Yes, I know that you don't need 1000cc injectors to run a 16g. The point is, that you can overkill on the injectors and still have the vehicle idle like stock.

That way, in a year, when he is ready to get rid of the 16g, there will be no reason to upgrade the injectors.

I agree with you (I think we're talking in circles ), but the main question here is, IS he going to want to upgrade? because if he doesn't, all the potential + money + time invested in link/bigger injectors/tuning time will be wasted.

 

[Empyrials]

I agree with you (I think we're talking in circles ), but the main question here is, IS he going to want to upgrade? because if he doesn't, all the potential + money + time invested in link/bigger injectors/tuning time will be wasted.

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[spyderturbo007]

but the main question here is, IS he going to want to upgrade?

Upgrading a DSM is like crack. I haven't found anyone that has stopped after they started.

 

[kevingst]

Upgrading a DSM is like crack. I haven't found anyone that has stopped after they started.

I was thinkin' it, but I didn't wanna be the one to say it. Damn these things!!

 

[gSx_r1der]

Who says 1000cc are overkill for a 16g???? What data do you have to back that up?? Thats false information. Good job.I'm running a stock afpr,stock fuel lines, and a 16g with guess whatWTF 1000cc. To the author of this thread dont always listen to what people say to you cause they arent always the most knowledgeable dsm'rs. They are just the only ones around to answer questions that they think they know. You can acheive 300whp on stock injectors. Their was a guy a while back and no I dont know the link, but he did 11's on stock fuel system. Yep STOCK fuel system. So to acheive the 300whp mark you dont really need anything except what the upgrade path recommends. Its there for a reason. Oh and I'll be going to the track this weekend to see how much OVERKILL my 1000cc injectors are. My car is ridiculous right now, and at 20psi and 11.5 afr it fawkin FLIES

 

[justin0469]

I dont think he meant its overkill, just not required as he restated himself later on a few times. Which it certainly is not. Almost half of the 1000cc injectors would work, 550cc. It depends on how much room you want to have for future mods. 1000cc injectors is overkill for someone that just wants to run a 16g and thats the end of their story. 1000cc injectors is pretty common for someone who has plans for his car beyond just the average turbo upgrade.

 

[BGGSTin]

Who says 1000cc are overkill for a 16g???? What data do you have to back that up?? Thats false information. Good job.I'm running a stock afpr,stock fuel lines, and a 16g with guess whatWTF 1000cc. To the author of this thread dont always listen to what people say to you cause they arent always the most knowledgeable dsm'rs. They are just the only ones around to answer questions that they think they know. You can acheive 300whp on stock injectors. Their was a guy a while back and no I dont know the link, but he did 11's on stock fuel system. Yep STOCK fuel system. So to acheive the 300whp mark you dont really need anything except what the upgrade path recommends. Its there for a reason. Oh and I'll be going to the track this weekend to see how much OVERKILL my 1000cc injectors are. My car is ridiculous right now, and at 20psi and 11.5 afr it fawkin FLIES

Hmmm....lets see what would make it overkill, well since we can't seem to understand why this is being tossed around lets look at the mere facts...

Lets start with a definition:
Overkill - Any effort that seems to go farther than would be necessary to achieve its goal.

So, now that you know whawt it means maybe it will make more sense...
I have 550 injectors...I have over 300hp...The goal is 300hp...therefore 1000cc injectors would make it overkill!

Understand now?!
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The aforementioned definition was referenced from : http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=overkill

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Who says 1000cc are overkill for a 16g???? What data do you have to back that up?? Thats false information. Good job.I'm running a stock afpr,stock fuel lines, and a 16g with guess whatWTF 1000cc. To the author of this thread dont always listen to what people say to you cause they arent always the most knowledgeable dsm'rs. They are just the only ones around to answer questions that they think they know. You can acheive 300whp on stock injectors. Their was a guy a while back and no I dont know the link, but he did 11's on stock fuel system. Yep STOCK fuel system. So to acheive the 300whp mark you dont really need anything except what the upgrade path recommends. Its there for a reason. Oh and I'll be going to the track this weekend to see how much OVERKILL my 1000cc injectors are. My car is ridiculous right now, and at 20psi and 11.5 afr it fawkin FLIES

Wait wait wait... you're running 1000cc injectors and tuning with just a MAFT? I hope it's just that you're profile isn't updated. Do you have some sort of ECU injector compensation? what is your timing like? peak timing?

Eh, who cares really. The original poster doesn't even respond anymore.