Adding a turbo to an RS

[whiteclipse67]

i want to add a turbo to my 99 eclipse RS. Would it be better to swap in a new engine with a turbo already on it or should i try to add a turbo and all of the necessary mods to my existing engine, i'm new at this stuff. Also, which would be cheaper?

 

[GILZTSIAWD]

If you look into it a little bit more you will find that you cant actually just swap in another engine like a honda. You could do a search for putting the 4g63 turbo eclipse/talon/laser motor into your 2g, or go to vfaq.com and read up on it and you will realize it is not worth the time or money to do this. I would suggest putting turbo on your car and getting a built motor if you can afford it or if at all possible or within reason for you, sell it and get a turbo car, it would just save you alot of time and money.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

here we go again...

you CAN do the 4G63 swap, but it takes a lot of time and money. If you want an example, just look at where the timing belts are... they're located on opposite ends of each car..

it sucks that most NT's will always stay NT, but the more you read about turboing and the 4G swap, the more you'll appreciate the headsup you're getting now.

so here's the tip o' the day: if you're serious about going turbo, sell your car and buy a GST/GSX/TSI/TSIAWD

 

[whiteclipse67]

damn... i dont really wanna sell my car. i like it, i just want it to be faster. are those the only options, or is there another choice?

 

[GILZTSIAWD]

You could build the engine and get a really nice nitrous kit with lots of features for the price it would cost you to go turbo probably. Or you could spray the stock motor, just not nearly as much.

 

[whiteclipse67]

If you look into it a little bit more you will find that you cant actually just swap in another engine like a honda. You could do a search for putting the 4g63 turbo eclipse/talon/laser motor into your 2g, or go to vfaq.com and read up on it and you will realize it is not worth the time or money to do this. I would suggest putting turbo on your car and getting a built motor if you can afford it or if at all possible or within reason for you, sell it and get a turbo car, it would just save you alot of time and money.

what do u mean " not worth the time or money"?

 

[DSMcrazy3]

If you want turbo, and don't want to sell, i suggest a diy(do it yourself) kit there's a really good write up on how to turbo our cars, i'm sure you'll hear more about it from other people in the future, here's the link to it...

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181134

There ya go hope that helps, PM me if you have any problems or ?'s i'm in the middle of the turbo process as we speak

 

[whiteclipse67]

hey, thanks alot. but what does PM mean

 

[DSMcrazy3]

Private message, i'll send you one and at the bottom right of it click reply w/ quote and send somethin back

Josh

 

[speedy13]

I know how much you might love your car,trust me I've been there.Well let me make my story short.I had to sell my 2gnt because of circumstances of life,I did quite a bit to it like:Intake,header,exhaust,underdrive pulley,port and polish intake manny,jeep throttle body conversion,sportlines on agx's,ractive strut bar with a hint of rice...Was it fast,no.Do i regret it no,i had a great time doing it and learned alot,BUT now i got my 1g tsi awd and wow,is all i can say,all these people telling you to sell your car,aren't being d^cks,there just telling you the truth.Get a turbo dsm,Your psyche,wallet, and body will thank you for it every time you press the gas pedal.You could always try nitrous but,even with bolt ons and nitrous,you'll still probably be a little bit slower than a stock turbo dsm.just my .02

 

[DSMcrazy3]

I've been told by a couple of turbo'd 420A turbo owners that they're car pulls HARD on stock GS-Ts running 8psi...and i have a friend w/ a turbo'd single cam 420 on 8 pounds who kills almost everything he sees...I'm not tryin to be a dick either, just sayin.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I know how much you might love your car,trust me I've been there.Well let me make my story short.I had to sell my 2gnt because of circumstances of life,I did quite a bit to it like:Intake,header,exhaust,underdrive pulley,port and polish intake manny,jeep throttle body conversion,sportlines on agx's,ractive strut bar with a hint of rice...Was it fast,no.Do i regret it no,i had a great time doing it and learned alot,BUT now i got my 1g tsi awd and wow,is all i can say,all these people telling you to sell your car,aren't being d^cks,there just telling you the truth.Get a turbo dsm,Your psyche,wallet, and body will thank you for it every time you press the gas pedal.You could always try nitrous but,even with bolt ons and nitrous,you'll still probably be a little bit slower than a stock turbo dsm.just my .02

the most unbiased, experienced comment I have yet to see for the "turbo vs. NT's with T" debate. props this man speaks the truth.

 

[GILZTSIAWD]

8 lbs on a stock bottom end 420a is equal to alot more than that on a turbo 4g63 because of the compression ratio. But you have to also look at the fact that that is about all the boost they can run.

 

[DSMcrazy3]

But you have to also look at the fact that that is about all the boost they can run.

..On a stock bottom end yes.

just for the record i'm not saying one is better than the other..just tryin to keep the n/t's in the game haha

Josh

 

[GILZTSIAWD]

..On a stock bottom end yes.

just for the record i'm not saying one is better than the other..just tryin to keep the n/t's in the game haha

Josh

Yeah and if you read my earlier post I suggested building an engine and turboing it.....

 

[napkinthief]

what parts of the engine compose of the bottom end? sorry nub q

 

[whiteclipse67]

Yeah and if you read my earlier post I suggested building an engine and turboing it.....

since im a newbie...can u tell me what parts i would need if i were to build a new turboed engine?

 

[fwdturbobov1996]

I had a turbo 420a and let me tell you. It pulled on stock gs-t's and gsx's. Yes STOCK. They start modding then they start walking me. Ran 8 psi. Trust me get a already turbo dsm.

 

[Hughes]

Here is your link to the adding a Turbo to your N/T thread, http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1578928 , I keep a close eye on it so if you questions, read the entire thread and if you have any other ?'s ask. Yes, they are right you might not have the kill power of AWD or an option of 100 psi () but, do what you want. I did mine because I wanted something more unique, and that is what it is, Honda killer and very different. I had a Turbo RS and yes, much faster but I like my N/T w/T it is much less maintenence because of the lacking power and less stuff breaks. Do what you want, not to mention this project is much easier on your wallet.

 

[titogs95]

I had a turbo 420a and let me tell you. It pulled on stock gs-t's and gsx's. Yes STOCK. They start modding then they start walking me. Ran 8 psi. Trust me get a already turbo dsm.

I agree. I sold my 95 Gs for this babe (91 AWD Talon). It is not worth the money to turbocharge it. (unleast you are really stuck with the car) I ran for so many problems trying to turbocharge the car. I had most of the stuffs ready to turbocharge it but a chance to get this car showed up. I got the car and ost of the parts I had for my Gs I sold it or installed on my new car.

In the end I realized that is better UPGRADE than fabricate stuffs. Either, way it is a DSM always going to be expensive.

Remember, if you keep your Gs/Rs and Turbocharge it. Down the road you will need to upgrade the internals = Expensive. Because you might get bored after a while. :not cool:
8 psi is nothing anymore.

Forgot to say here is a link for 2G N/T Eclipse/Talon www.2gnt.com
They are more precise and the are directly related to the non-turbo

those are my .02 cents

 

[GILZTSIAWD]

As far as the bottom end that consists of your pistons, rods, crank, those things. To make a built engine for your car you would def. need forged pistons with a lower compression and some good strong rods. I am pretty sure arp probably makes some good strong rod bolts and main studs and head studs to go in the 420a. The crank should be fine I do believe, but there is almost always a better aftermarket one that is lighter/stronger. Another thing you would need is a good set of arp head studs and a stronger head gasket, cometic or something of that sort. Im not sure how the head holds up on these cars with turbo but I am sure that to get what you want out of it you would want to atleast port and polish it. Now if you are going to just go with an 8 psi kit like the guys above mentioned and do not car to be too terribly fast you wont need to worry with all this and you could always do that kit for now and upgrade later. There are many more things you would need to run higher boost on your car that I didnt even mention. One of the things I like about the idea of turboing your car is that when people ask and you tell them its just an rs, they will never imagine its turbo. Look through some of the links given up above and you will find much more information on this topic from people that have alot of experience with these engines. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

p.s. Another downside to the idea of spraying instead of turbo is that turbo is always there, spray is only there when bottle pressure is right, bottle is full, and you turn it on and go wot.

 

[WHite97RS]

Easy way....buy a turbo dsm, hard way, turbo a n/t dsm. I took the hard way, had alotta fun and learned alot. But you cant get any better than a GSX or a TSI AWD. I wouldnt buy just a GST or a TSI, i would turbo my n/t instead. But if i were gonna sell my car i would strictly look for an AWD DSM. Good luck. oh and for about 4 grand you can get a nice built bottom end kit, and a really good turbo setup if you do all the work. just look in my profile.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Don't let anyone tell you to sell your car and buy one with a stock turbo... Sure there are basic differences between the engines, and the 4G63 was designed to handle boost while the 420a wasn't, but that doesn't meant that with the right amount of modification, it isn't just as capable.
If you need a little 420a pep-talk, go to

http://www.hahnracecraft.com/auto/eclipse/eclipse.htm

That's Hahn Racecraft's website, they're one of the top turbo kit manufacturer's for eclipses, and they found that the 420a's relatively modern design (est. 1995) was perfect for the rigors of drag racing, while still maintaining full streetability. In fact, they made their 1998 Eclipse RS run 10.87 seconds on the quarter mile. Did it take money? Tons... And time? Plenty... but the point is, is that it has the potential. Furthermore, the only mods they did to the eclipse, beside all of the bolt on turbo components, were just a semi-built bottom end (forged pistons and connecting rods).
If you want to stay with stock internals, you can still pull up to about 300 hp before worrying about reliability issues.
Trust me, I'm in the same position as you are, but I know what our cars are capable of. My car is like my baby, and if anyone else understood that, they would know you can't just "sell it and buy another one."

 

[GILZTSIAWD]

forged pistons and aftermarket rods is semi-built? Since when?

 

[whiteclipse67]

Trust me, I'm in the same position as you are, but I know what our cars are capable of. My car is like my baby, and if anyone else understood that, they would know you can't just "sell it and buy another one." [/QUOTE]

i like the way u put it...i cant just sell my car, i like it too much