6 Bolt Block Build should i go stock or just upgrade right away?

[gsxeclipsed]

Hey guys i am building a 6 bolt since my car got sold by the rents. I got a ticket in it and boom it was for sale. So i am buying a rolling chassis and building a 6 bolt so do u think i should start it out stock and then upgrade or just go for it all from the build up??

EDIT: I have never driven an upgraded car my gsx was stock but i did all the free mods.

 

[gsxeclipsed]

k well im planing on build in the internals but i guess im askin about a turbo?

 

[indiglotrd]

IMO build now or regret later.

 

[Stapl3]

Stock 6 bolt has gone 10's and reliably held 550whp. How much power are you going for that requires built internals?

 

[PokinatchaPunk]

I'm in the same boat as you kinda.... I bought a relatively built engine cause I needed to swap engines. What I would suggest is of course look at your finances and your goals. It would suck to spend your money on a fully built engine but still be running a 14b. My advice would to be to at least get some head work done. Port polish and maybe some oversized valves. 6bolt blocks are pretty reliable and if you get just the head done at least you wont feel like you should of done more.

 

[Stapl3]

Why touch the head? The head as done the same #'s I posted above. A stock head already flows like a hogged out head on a big v8, no point in touching it.

 

[gsxeclipsed]

ok so if i can buy a complete motor thats just old and then take it apart and clean it i willl be able to reach me 400 hp goal??

 

[patsevo8]

Just build it all at once if you have the money. If you don't have that money on hand, then stick with turbo and some bolt-ons. The stock head is perfect and strong. I would build up the clutch a bit.

 

[PokinatchaPunk]

Stock 6 bolt has gone 10's and reliably held 550whp. How much power are you going for that requires built internals?

Why touch the head? The head as done the same #'s I posted above. A stock head already flows like a hogged out head on a big v8, no point in touching it.

Check the guys who are running 10's on tuners' profiles....See how many are running with a stock motor. I'm sure a stock 6bolt "has" gone 10's but I'm kinda doubting it's reliability. The only way I see a stock 6 bolt running 10's reliably is if you could just drop a jet engine into the backseat. You wont have to worry about the engine blowing...now I can't guarantee the rest of the car being safe.

 

[Steve93Talon]

How's 11.0, street driven, always driven - NOT trailered to the track - on a bone stock 134k 7 bolt? I'd have absolutely no problem dropping a clean, stock 6 bolt in a car if I wanted high 10s.

 

[PokinatchaPunk]

How's 11.0, street driven, always driven - NOT trailered to the track - on a bone stock 134k 7 bolt? I'd have absolutely no problem dropping a clean, stock 6 bolt in a car if I wanted high 10s.

Once again....

I find that hard to believe seeing that your profile says that you wish you had a 50trim so you could hit 12's. But that's beside the point. Back to what the original poster was last asking. If you cleaned up an old 6bolt could you hit the 400 mark? "Yes" As long as during your "clean up" you made sure the engine was all up to specs. Check compression, leaks, etc etc etc. Check out the tuner's guide and it'll give to a "general idea" of what you'll need.

 

[Steve93Talon]

yourself. I was referring to Tort's car, look up his profile for yourself. He runs a 20g on stock 7 bolt internals just fine. As for my car, I've gone 11.9 full weight on a stock 7 bolt, stock cams on a Green. The Green is gone and I'll be running a TD05H turbo this year, probably an 18g, and shooting for 11.50s. As for the 50 trim/12s comment, it's called sarcasm. As in, it's funny how people bolt on 50 trims, run 12s, and think they're bad-ass.

 

[SpoOLxExO]

This is why Tuners has gone to hell.

A STOCK 6-bolt engine will hold 550 HP, period.

If you suck at tuning, Don't have enoough fuel, your wiring harness catches fire, or the turbo creeps to a silly boost number, yes you will blow your engine.

But shit, hundreds of 6-bolt going 10's, and thousands going 11's.

This question has been asked a million times before...

www.vfaq.com <-----soak all of that info and you wouldn't have to ask dumb questions, that get people arguing back and forth like They engineered the 4g63 or something.

Regards,

Nick<---Back to hiding from tuners for a while, untill they stop letting newbies take it over..

 

[gsxeclipsed]

wow im really good at starting posts that people just start to argue in.

 

[yo2001]

Just rebuild one stock or just with 2G pistons. Spend the extra money saved, invest into something for drivetrain and gofast parts. Most poeple is not going to be able to make enough power to break correctly build and tuned 4G63.

 

[anomalyinva]

This is why Tuners has gone to hell.

A STOCK 6-bolt engine will hold 550 HP, period.

If you suck at tuning, Don't have enoough fuel, your wiring harness catches fire, or the turbo creeps to a silly boost number, yes you will blow your engine.

But shit, hundreds of 6-bolt going 10's, and thousands going 11's.

This question has been asked a million times before...

www.vfaq.com <-----soak all of that info and you wouldn't have to ask dumb questions, that get people arguing back and forth like They engineered the 4g63 or something.

Regards,

Nick<---Back to hiding from tuners for a while, untill they stop letting newbies take it over..

I don't plan to ever run more than 500whp, the reason I went with the Ross Eagle combo, is by the time I priced out a set of 1g big rod 2g piston combo, the built motor was only $400 more, and was lighter, and supported more power.

 

[diambo4life]

Once again....

I find that hard to believe seeing that your profile says that you wish you had a 50trim so you could hit 12's. But that's beside the point. Back to what the original poster was last asking. If you cleaned up an old 6bolt could you hit the 400 mark? "Yes" As long as during your "clean up" you made sure the engine was all up to specs. Check compression, leaks, etc etc etc. Check out the tuner's guide and it'll give to a "general idea" of what you'll need.

You sure do not know what the hell you are talking about. Hint, look up Al Blaha, Mike Rizotti a few amongst others. Mike has trapped 132mph on an FP Red on a bone stock 6-bolt shortblock and has run a 10.9. :laugh: :laugh:

 

[SpoOLxExO]

Go RIZZ!!!

NEWENGDSM RULES!!!!

 

[Stapl3]

Check the guys who are running 10's on tuners' profiles....See how many are running with a stock motor. I'm sure a stock 6bolt "has" gone 10's but I'm kinda doubting it's reliability. The only way I see a stock 6 bolt running 10's reliably is if you could just drop a jet engine into the backseat. You wont have to worry about the engine blowing...now I can't guarantee the rest of the car being safe.

Typical to0nerz retard.

Blaha went 10.5 years ago, multiple passes and his car is still a daily driver to this day.

Dozens on here and other DSM forums are making 500whp reliably on their daily driven 4g63s.

 

[PokinatchaPunk]

I know my comment about putting a jet engine in the back was alittle overrated.....but I didn't say that no one has ever done 10's with a stock engine... What I'm saying is that the majority of people that put 500whp down on a stock engine are more prone to breaking than those who modify the internals.

Either way once you get to the 400+ range it's a fact that things are more likely to break. And if you put in aftermarket internals it will be less likly for those items to break and will prolong your engine's life. Aka....Increased Reliability

So settle down with the "tooner retard" comments.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

The Green is gone and I'll be running a TD05H turbo this year, probably an 18g, and shooting for 11.50s.

Ok so your going to run a smaller turbo and hope to get better times

Last time I checked a Green was bigger than an 18G.


To the thread starter if you goal is 400HP then yes just do a stock rebuild no need for forged internals.

Also you have to realize they are making 500hp and running 10.5 at the track on race gas. They may be daily driven but there not 500hp on pump.

 

[Steve93Talon]

Last time I checked, a 20g is smaller than a Green. Yet, there are more 20g's in the 10s than 50 trims. Bigger doesn't always = better. I went through the stupid "my car isn't fast enough - I know! I'll get an even bigger turbo!" crap already. Now I'm going to do it right and make the car perform to it's potential on a small turbo setup. Can you say stock appearing 10s?

 

[SpoOLxExO]

I know my comment about putting a jet engine in the back was alittle overrated.....but I didn't say that no one has ever done 10's with a stock engine... What I'm saying is that the majority of people that put 500whp down on a stock engine are more prone to breaking than those who modify the internals.

Either way once you get to the 400+ range it's a fact that things are more likely to break. And if you put in aftermarket internals it will be less likly for those items to break and will prolong your engine's life. Aka....Increased Reliability

So settle down with the "tooner retard" comments.

If you are making 400hp, or anyone for that matter...You will more concerned about the transmission, not the engine.

Internals are required for:

-High boost on pump gas to resist detonation

-A really tired engine..(Better have more than 200k miles on it)

-Rediculous boost, to go along with thousands in head flow work, and cams.

Thats it!

Every other reason to build an already beefy engine, is just to waste money that could be used elsewhere in your goal.

Hell, I know a guy who has a 7-bolt 2g, that goes 11's and he drives that evry day too.

Would you think he would have to "Build" his engine just because hes making 400hp repeatedly!?

No!

Because he knows what he's doing. He knows how to tune his car, knows how to diagnose any problem, rebuilds parts himself, etc...

This seems to be the basis of making 400ho anyways, knowing what your doing.

Since this question keeps getting raised, or challenged, or changed my last reply will be, study, study, study, work on your car, work on your car, work on your car, then you won;t have to ask newbie questions like this, that have been not only answered a million times before, but proven thousands of times as well.

Stock 6-bolt will be just fine! Stop talking and get out there and make 400hp!!!

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Yet, there are more 20g's in the 10s than 50 trims.

That's because back in the day the 20g was one of the biggest turbos you could get, The 50-trim masses didn't start appearing until the last year or two. So of course alot of people ran 10's on 20g's.

 

[Steve93Talon]

Back in the day, people also used VPCs and not MAFTs, DSMlinks, stand-alones..... I'd think with the tuning options that are available today, there would be alot more potential to put a turbo such as a 50 trim into the 10s. Apparently not, eh?