3sgte vs 4g63t

[Vladimir]

So to make long story short, my brother car got stolen, insurance only gave 5k. He wants to make a choice between 3sgte or 4g63. I know we all love 4g63 to death , but he was a Nissan guy (sr20det) and he wants something new.

What I would like to hear is facts, reliability comparison, and some opinions on wants faster and stronger. Because I myself haven't herd to much about 3sgte but I've seen them whole @ss at the track. I myself told him 4g63 cause there is a lot of parts out there and I can hook him up with my left overs

Hope you guys can help!
Thanx to all.

 

[crimsondragon]

I would think stock for stock an SR20 costs more than a 4g63. That alone would lead me to it. Plus there's too many JDM ###s in the Nissan world as well.

 

[Anubis_4_99]

I would think stock for stock an SR20 costs more than a 4g63. That alone would lead me to it. Plus there's too many JDM ###s in the Nissan world as well.

He's not asking about nissans, he's asking about toyotas.

The 3SGTE isn't a bad motor at all, but i don't think it has nearly as much potential as the 4G63 in the terms of HP to cost ratio, although more then likely more reliable, mainly probably due to the less likely chance of some D-bag kid being able to afford them and neglect them.

I've never personally owned anything with the 3SGTE, but a buddy of mine had a celica with a fully built one tuned on MS and it was a monster. Course he had a lot more money into it then i had into my talon, and my talon would still walk him on the track by about half a car or more.

i had a MKI MR2 with a 5SFE swap in it and that baby hauled, took a beating, and loved it. Toyota back in the day made some good stuff.

But in the end its gonna come down to personal preference.

 

[crimsondragon]

Derp.

 

[Vladimir]

But what about value wise. I herd the more money you invest into those toyotas the more expensive they become, and they dont loose value. DSM get more expensive too but I think the value of our cars go up like 300$ for every 1000 we spent, while 3s goes close to dollar for dollar. Do you guys think thats true??? I found him a nice stock 1992 gsx for only $1600, the only problem is it's auto, but very mint. While he has a friend who wants to sell him his celiac all trac for 3,500 running but with minor problems, stick. What do you guys think is a good buy. He got around 6 grand to spent including the car.

P.s- thanks anubis

 

[buhay6]

i had a MKI MR2 with a 5SFE swap in it and that baby hauled, took a beating, and loved it. Toyota back in the day made some good stuff.

Damn straight, my 5M-GE can take drifting all day long and it only has 160hp at the crank max and 260k km's on the motor. And don't get me started on my 86 celica which drove with out coolant for 200km and never hurt a thing! Toyota was the engine champ in the 80's and still bullet proof in the 90's.
Would trust a toyota engine any day hands down!

But what about value wise. I herd the more money you invest into those toyotas the more expensive they become, and they dont loose value. DSM get more expensive too but I think the value of our cars go up like 300$ for every 1000 we spent, while 3s goes close to dollar for dollar. Do you guys think thats true??? I found him a nice stock 1992 gsx for only $1600, the only problem is it's auto, but very mint. While he has a friend who wants to sell him his celiac all trac for 3,500 running but with minor problems, stick. What do you guys think is a good buy. He got around 6 grand to spent including the car.

P.s- thanks anubis

oooow thats a hard choice.......a really rare all-trac celica or a awd dsm I'd say all-trac as long as he takes care of his cars because that car is uber rare and expensive plus have a lot of potential..... pic of the cars?

 

[TurboLaserRS]

Just a word of advice, if you're worried about resale value you are going to be dissapointed. Modifying vehicles doesn't really net you much in way of value, unless you're selling to another enthusiast. I've seen cars with 30k in parts/ upgrades sell for $9000.

 

[1MeanTSI]

I love my 4g63 cars, but the 3sgte is pretty close to par. I had a 93 corolla sedan that had a 3sgte and a five speed swapped in. That little bagger ran mid 13's stock and with a tune (AEM EMS) and some more boost it did high 12's on slicks. THe 3gs is a little spendier but it does last a little better. The 4g63 is cheaper, responds better (only slightly) to mods but not quite as durable. Both pretty good contenders for the best 4cyl in the world.

 

[Vladimir]

I think he's gonna go with celiac alltrac. But we don't know yet, we have a few cars we have to look at this weekend. Most are DSMs tho, there is almost no 3s out there it's very hard to find, so far only one celica and it's pricey... And I also looked at the after market parts and modifying it is a bit more expensive also.... Hmm.....

 

[GofaST4life]

As someone who has owned both, and currently owns a 1991 Celica GT4 All-Trac...its really hard to say.

My kind of thread.

Ill always love DSM's...always, heck ive had 5 of them already.

But having an Alltrac is AMAZING! These cars are becoming MUCH more rare, and in my mind, the biggest thing the 3sgte Alltrac has on a DSM is value. You see a TON of both beat up, modded, and clean DSMs out there. When was the last time you saw a GT4? People are selling completely stock GT4's for 8k+ with over 100k miles. Some have sold highly modified cars for 20k. They are rare and hold their value, unlike a DSM.

The Celica GT4's are much more unique and in my opinion, esp with the stock widebody that allows you to run some neat offsets and WIDE tires. Also not trying to bash DSMs at all, but Toyota had a better built overall car back then, when compared to a DSM.

Yes, the aftermarket for a GT4 is more expensive and not as large as the DSM, but you'll have that with a rare platform. So its give and take.

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My GT4 has 157k miles, its completely stock, running 15psi. I beat the heck out of it at AutoX and I DD this car. Never had a problem. Just stay on your regular maintenance.

Its all about preference.

I love my GT4 and will never sell it.
I WILL have another Turbo DSM again.

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[WES_393]

I'm surrounded by Toyota guys. The 3SGTE is nothing to scoff at. Cheaper and faster than a 4g63? I thought we had established that will never happen.

But they are nice cars. One of my buddies has a 88 All-Trac and the other has a ST205 GT-FOUR which put down 504awhp recently. Not bad cars at all. A huge PITA to work on, but nice cars.

 

[GofaST4life]

That's a beautiful ST205.

 

[WES_393]

That's a beautiful ST205.

It is indeed. It cost him a 2JZ-GTE swapped IS300 (which I would have personally never let go), but still a clean ride. Not sure I dig driving on the wrong side, but that's what happens when you import cars.

 

[DaRKSiDeGSX]

Celica all day! Gt4 are raaaaaare, dsm are a dime a dozen.

 

[Dhan]

What? Did you see the third definition down- written by a teenager no doubt -and have your doubts about the 4g63 or something?

My dad's heavily into Toyotas. 4G-AE (MR2), 7M-GTE (Supra), 3S, etc. and I've helped wrench on all of them. I'm no expert, but from an ametuer enthusiast's standpoint, they're all a pretty bullet proof design, efficient (for their day), and easy to work on. And I feel there's a number of consistencies with the Toyota motors compared to the Mitsus. They're from the same background and designed by similar mindsets (compare something from Detroit and Bavaria, and they'll have no consistencies).
In the end, enough money goes in and plenty of speed will come out no matter what engine it is. Both lines have an enormous following and parts grow on trees for both (relative to other rarer imports). So support isn't an issue. It'll probably boil down to whatever body style you like.

But we're biased towards the 4g63 here, so I say, "go with a Mitsubishi"!

 

[TurboLaserRS]

I used to be super duper into MR2s, the 3SGTE is a really good motor, but it seems there is a 'hump' at about 380hp where the dollar per hp ratio seems to slide to more money for diminishing returns. That being said I still very much like them, and the 2g MR2 will always be pure sex to me.

 

[GofaST4life]

Celica all day! Gt4 are raaaaaare, dsm are a dime a dozen.

Another reason I jumped on mine.

My dad's heavily into Toyotas. 4G-AE (MR2), 7M-GTE (Supra), 3S, etc. and I've helped wrench on all of them. I'm no expert, but from an ametuer enthusiast's standpoint, they're all a pretty bullet proof design, efficient (for their day), and easy to work on. And I feel there's a number of consistencies with the Toyota motors compared to the Mitsus. They're from the same background and designed by similar mindsets (compare something from Detroit and Bavaria, and they'll have no consistencies).
In the end, enough money goes in and plenty of speed will come out no matter what engine it is. Both lines have an enormous following and parts grow on trees for both (relative to other rarer imports). So support isn't an issue. It'll probably boil down to whatever body style you like.

Couldnt agree more. Both motors are and can be monsters. Comes down to preference, but you really cant go wrong with either.