200HP with these mods?

[grmoo]

Would it be possible to reach in the area of 200HP with a good air-intake--that is CAI--, cat-back exhaust, high flow cat, exhaust header, and cam gears?

If not, where would that set me?

 

[DSMJim]

All of these parts may give you a 20hp increase so getting to 200hp will be pretty hard with these parts. Your car has 140hp rating now, so getting 60hp will require a lot more parts than just those basic bolt ons. Even with a good set of cams and stand alone with full dyno tuning I don't think you could possibly see 200hp at the crank.

Your best bet would be to add nitrous. A simple 60-75shot will get you well past your goal, give you something really fun to play with, make your car a lot faster at the track and cost a lot less money overall. Nitrous is great in that it does not wear out your engine or cause any wear related problems because of how relitavely infrequently it is used. It acctually serves to clear carbon deposits from your pistons and valves. If you have ever seen a sprayed motor taken appart things look like brand new. It's when you abuse it that problems arise. Use it wisely and you will not have any problems at all.

 

[miamieclipse]

i have cai, cat-back exhaust, header, no cat, ported intake manifold & tb, a good set of cams, cam gears, udp, p&p cylinder heads bore .20 over deck the head, 3-angle job, rockers n lifters, titanium valve springs, 50 wet shot, ngk spark plugs, magnecore wires

I was hopin for over 200

 

[GSGoinFast]

miami eclipse, i think your well over 200hp considering with the 50 your already at 190. as for the guy who started this thread, no im sorry your not going to be close. i read a thread on 2gnt of a guy who had about what miamieclipse has except for the 50, and he got 159whp. n/a is not good with these engines... soon i will no longer be!

 

[AEMEclipse140]

Im going for 14's this summer all-motor it has been done before.

 

[GSGoinFast]

what are your plans?
good luck

 

[E-Eclipse]

so ya'll are sayin that big miami w/out the 50 shot is not pushin 200...i think he prolly would be at least 200 that is a good bit done to the motor not to be pushin 200 i would think but only the dyno can tell.....


ERIK B

 

[AEMEclipse140]

i have cai, cat-back exhaust, header, no cat, ported intake manifold & tb, a good set of cams, cam gears, udp, p&p cylinder heads bore .20 over deck the head, 3-angle job, rockers n lifters, titanium valve springs, 50 wet shot, ngk spark plugs, magnecore wires

I was hopin for over 200

How come in youre profile it says .35 over and what kind of cams are you running?

 

[GSGoinFast]

so ya'll are sayin that big miami w/out the 50 shot is not pushin 200...i think he prolly would be at least 200 that is a good bit done to the motor not to be pushin 200 i would think but only the dyno can tell.....


ERIK B

well the guy on 2gnt had it dynoed and it had 159 WHEEL hp, so crank power is prolly at like 180-190 or something like that. but ya i thought it would be higher too. but i also think that horsepower is always over estimated.

 

[grmoo]

Well, alright...excluding nitrous, turbo/supercharger, is there any way that I would be able to get it to 200 at the crank without doing to much work/spending to much money?

That is....spending the same that it would cost for a turbo.

 

[grmoo]

What about this Venom 400 thing:
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=212360&prmenbr=361

Has anyone tried one of those before?

Or JET chips?

 

[GSGoinFast]

Well, alright...excluding nitrous, turbo/supercharger, is there any way that I would be able to get it to 200 at the crank without doing to much work/spending to much money?

That is....spending the same that it would cost for a turbo.

In this buisness, it is impossible to not spend that much money. i dont know anything about that controll unit. to tell you the truth, it would be cheapest to set up a 50 shot, with a CAI and exaust, to get that 200hp. but the more i look at miame eclipse's mods, it makes me think it should be a lot higher than 159 wheel. with all of that i would guess at least 180 whp, but who knows. I think your best bet is turbo. you reach the 200 right off, with a stage one at least, possibly 250 with a stage 2. then with tuning, boost controll, and other things you can pump it up a bit. but you can only push it so much with out rebuilding the bottom end.

Just some thoughts

Miamieclipse, how much did you spend on all of that.

 

[grmoo]

Oh, believe me I know about the money. I just didn't know if there was something that I may have not heard of....

So, a turbo...I have been contemplating that for a while. Just some new pistons, rods, rings, and of course a turbo kit....or just the turbo w/o the intercooler that would save money and still get it up there.

That could probably be achieved for under a grand? Not including the labor, seeing that I usually have it done for free.

 

[miamieclipse]

Jus to clear somethin up, this will all be done soon, some is already done, all is ordered tho...it was gonna be all in by the end of may but i had a setback due to a)tranny b)personal issue i had to take care of...but by this summer it will ALL BE DONE HEHE , i actually exepct it to be done early-mid june so i can play wit it all summer, here is what u were asking for before

-cai, already installed, came wit the car
-cat-back exhaust, $200
-header 4-1 $130 shipped, ssautochrome
-no cat, did at same time as cat-back
-ported intake manifold & tb, my friend owns a machine shop, he is doin it for me
-Crane Cams 12 $400 howell
-cam gears AEM $250 dynamic turbo
-af/x udp, sitting in my room, gonna install this weekend $140 from howell
-p&p cylinder heads bore .20 over deck the head, my friend owns a machine shop, he is doin it for me
-3-angle job, since it hasnt been done yet i have been thinking of a 5-angle job, waht do u think?
-rockers n lifters $280 from howell, on the way
-titanium valve springs, Crane, $100 howell
-50 wet shot, ordered not here yet
-ngk spark plugs, ngk $30
-magnecore wires, $50 from howell

other things i was thinking of getting and if anyone has any opinions please post
apr main studs
fel pro head gasket

Oh n since i will have all summer to save up, i would have about another $1000 for the car, thats after i save up for everything else i need to, what do u guys recomend i do??? I was thinkin i could prolly go wit high compression pistons, forged rods (12.5.1 compression, is that too high in ure opinion?)

 

[GSGoinFast]

id keep saving and get an HRC turbo kit

 

[interceptor]

SuRe NuF

 

[dr1665]

Hey Miami!

Have you thought about the AFX ECU? If you're not going turbo and you run a 97, you really want this thing. I've had it in 8 days now and it absolutley owns me. Howell claims 44hp NA on a "fully built motor." I don't know how accurate that is, but I'll be "fully built" and then some (by their details) by August and am already feeling a noticeable gain. I've seen a dyno sheet where this ECU added more than 10whp on a BPU NT. A worthwhile investment if you ask me.

See you at the shootout.

 

[miamieclipse]

i was thinking about it but cause of further research i realized i cant use it , any other ideas

PS i hear that af/x unit is real good, revlimiter eliminated but u cant take it to high witout proper supportin mods, which unit did u get race or drag?

 

[dr1665]

i was thinking about it but cause of further research i realized i cant use it , any other ideas

Why can't you use it? Are you talking about needing to upgrade your valve train? If you're dropping in #0012 cams, you should be thinking about getting better springs and retainers anyways, so yeah, you should be able to use it. I've got the race model (street or race versions from what I heard) and haven't gone beyond 7krpm yet until my new head gets in. Gonna be nasty. Oversized valves, Ti springs/retainers, 5 angle, race port. Can't wait to wind her up to 8krpm+. Especially later this summer when the Crower 3s get installed.

So far I've noticed more of a butt dyno gain from this thing by itself than I did after a 10.5:1 rebuild with a header, UDP, ported TB, and short ram all together. It's very nice. Not to mention I've managed to get 200 miles out of this tank of gas and I'm still well above half a tank (closer to 3/4 actually). I'm lovin' it.

EDIT:
Just saw you were A604 in the other post farther down the page. My bad bro. Too bad too.

 

[miamieclipse]

yea my tranny wont allow it

i was thinking over the summer going wit a high compression pistons (forged), y did u choose 10:5:1 n not 12?

As for the valve train, i would get the crane cams u mentioned (12), titanium valve springs, oversized valves (been thinking about them) lifters n rockers, 3 or 5 angle port, what else am i leaving out? Im kinda in a rush cuz i be hungry n if i dont watch out imma burn dinner, im out be bak lata

 

[GSGoinFast]

sorry a little off topic but what does A604 mean? thanks

 

[AEMEclipse140]

Why can't you use it? Are you talking about needing to upgrade your valve train? If you're dropping in #0012 cams, you should be thinking about getting better springs and retainers anyways, so yeah, you should be able to use it. I've got the race model (street or race versions from what I heard) and haven't gone beyond 7krpm yet until my new head gets in. Gonna be nasty. Oversized valves, Ti springs/retainers, 5 angle, race port. Can't wait to wind her up to 8krpm+. Especially later this summer when the Crower 3s get installed.

So far I've noticed more of a butt dyno gain from this thing by itself than I did after a 10.5:1 rebuild with a header, UDP, ported TB, and short ram all together. It's very nice. Not to mention I've managed to get 200 miles out of this tank of gas and I'm still well above half a tank (closer to 3/4 actually). I'm lovin' it.

EDIT:
Just saw you were A604 in the other post farther down the page. My bad bro. Too bad too.

Im ordering the a/fx ecu next week how long did it take to program and do you have to send youre current ecu and be without a ride?

 

[dr1665]

Im ordering the a/fx ecu next week how long did it take to program and do you have to send youre current ecu and be without a ride?

I bought mine off a brother who finally succumbed to all the "sell it and buy a turbo" BS and was buying a low mile 99 GST. I'm not at liberty to say what I paid, but I like to say I saved enough to make the Geico Gecko cry. Oh and I was down for 2 weeks while I shipped my stocker to MD and they swapped it and sent me the AFX/R. Fortunately, between my wife, room mate and I, we have 3 2GNTs, an SRT4 and a broke as 92 GS, so I was still able to get out and drive.

As for the CR, I chose 10.5 over 12 because I plan on going turbo someday. Maybe next year or two. 12.5 is pushing the limits of daily driveability too imo. I don't feel like investing in serious ignition mods at this time and I'm going to have my hands full with the Crower 3 cams. Not to mention we only have 91 octane here in AZ and the AFX requires 93, so I have some temp control issues to deal with this summer before we get above 100* (next weekend or so)

A604 is your 2GNT auto transmission.
NVT-350 is your 2GNT manual transmission.
2 more reasons why the 4G63 swap isn't worth it unless you swap the whole car imo.

 

[miamieclipse]

yea but i doubt im gonna go turbo, but i am pretty sure im gonna put her on the bottle....50 then wit more mods 75 then wit internals who knos? .. but yea one good thing about my tranny u dont need to stop sprayin to shift hehe

what other things could be added to the vavle train that i havent mentioned?

 

[AEMEclipse140]

I hear you shouldnt run the bottle with extremely high compression like 12:1 theres just too much pressure. dr1665 how much boost could you run with 10.5:1 on a turbo setup? i was told you can only run about 4-5 psi just curious im runnin 10.5:1 pistons but my heads milled which give me a little more.