200 Whp

[interceptor]

OK i see Howell has a new kit and was wondering if this http://www.howellautomotive.com/How...ct_info.php?cPath=142_38_174&products_id=1439 will make 200 WHP or more ?

 

[dr1665]

Master Performance Engine Rebuild Kit 2.0 Talon/Eclipse $2,049.95

Kit Includes: Clevite 77 or Federal Mogul Rod Bearing Set Clevite 77 or Federal Mogul Main Bearing Set Total Seal Piston Rings Mopar Oil Pan Gasket Set (includes rear main seal) Melling Oil Pump Eagle Specialty Forged Rods JE Pistons

Kit Includes: * 16 Eaton PT Cruiser Lash Adjusters (Lifters) * 16 PT Cruiser Cam Followers (Rockers) * S.A. Gear Timing Belt * FelPro Complete Head Gasket Set * 1 Pair of Crane DOHC Cams 0010, 0012, 0014, 0016, or 0018 * 1 Pair of Crane Adjustable Cam Gears * Crane Valve Springs

I'd say that it would get you about as close as anyone's ever been. You'd want to pick the 10.5:1 CR and the #0018 cams. A set up like that will require substantial supporting mods:

SAFC to adjust fuel trim at idle (considering the 18s will be have lower vac levels at idle, resulting in the ECU dumping the fuel in)
Full 2.5" ID header back exhaust
Header
intake
Ignition mods would be a good idea with this set up as well
You might consider a larger TB and some porting of the head/intake mani too.

I'm half way there today and should be finishing up the whole thing by August, just in time for the Shootout. I'm also adding the AFX ECU (97 only) and crossing my fingers to make 230hp crank and break into the 14s on the track. (Both of which would be firsts if I can do it and DOCUMENT it.)

All-motor is a lot of fun, but it's a lot of time and money. Make sure it's what you really want to do sir.

 

[jayden1]

Dont do it it aint worth it. All motor is a B@#$%. Actually if stay with 10.5 compression and it might not be that bad. Ive got tons of money into my 95 and i just bought a turbo kit for my 96 ive compared the numbers and the money invested and my 96 is just gonna be walking all over my all motor setup ( I havent yet got turbo installed). With all motor there is a lot of maintainence. You really got to watch out for knock.

 

[dr1665]

Actually, all motor is not such a bi***. It's just more expensive and time consuming for the bigger gains and even the best all-motor set up in these cars will get its ass handed to it by any turbo charged car.

Turbocharging does not mean you don't have to watch for knock. You have to be on the look out for pre-det any time you force more air into the engine and run towards the lean end of the spectrum. All a turbo does is force more air into the engine. That's why you have to add the fuel system to it to match the airflow with more fuel.

It's like the reason why people who want to crank up the boost will usually rebuild with lower compression pistons; the higher the compression ratio, the more attention you will need to pay to the engine to prevent it from lowing.

Simply put, if you don't want to have to pay close attention to the engine's vitals and maintain your state of tune after you've achived it, you're best to stick with the bolt ons. Both turbo and high-ompression all motor require a igilant eye on things.