1G vs 2G

[97eclipse_gst]

I was at the track yesterday, I raced a 91 Gst, I have a 97 Gst, We left the trees around the same RT. I ran a 15.5 he ran a 14.9 How come he ran a better time then me? If say We are equally good drivers. Both have exhaust and filter. What am I possibly doing wrong. I have bad wheel hop is that what could be the problem? Wondering why I am slower? Made me feel like my car sucks and I like that feeling!!

 

[Spoolin98]

Wheel hop plays a huge roll in traction, you pretty much answered your own question. If your wheel is hopping your losing traction, get some prothane motor mounts.
Also I believe the weight of the cars are different.

 

[97eclipse_gst]

Wheel hop plays a huge roll in traction, you pretty much answered your own question. If your wheel is hopping your losing traction, get some prothane motor mounts.
Also I believe the weight of the cars are different.

With out wheel hope (should) I be able to run low 15?

 

[Spoolin98]

With out wheel hope (should) I be able to run low 15?

Possibly, I dont know by how much, but you should drop your 1/4 time.

 

[bling5tatus]

ermmm... t-25 vs. 14b.... hmmmmmmm.....

 

[nc90awd]

maybe cause he has a 14b turbo and you got a t25

 

[nc90awd]

ermmm... t-25 vs. 14b.... hmmmmmmm.....

ahhh you beat me to it by like 10 sec

 

[Talesin]

Also, the 1G is a couple hundred pounds lighter.
Wait... you like the feeling that your car sucks? Hoping that's a typo.

 

[hi_psi_dsm07]

Also, the 1G is a couple hundred pounds lighter.
Wait... you like the feeling that your car sucks? Hoping that's a typo.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read that, haha

 

[nates6969]

you're trying to compare apples to oranges! first of all, no matter if you say you're equally good drivers, how do you really know? and sure the 1g is lighter but thats a part of the car...a part that is a huge contributing factor to how fast it really is. yes the 1gs have a 14b and the 2gs have a t25 but they still run the same boost, however the t25 just runs out of steam a few hundred rpm sooner then the 14b but at these stock boost levels turbo is not a 'huge' factor. 2gs claim to make 10 or so more horsepower stock due to several things, mainly higher compression. Each cars have their advantages and weaknesses in their design. The only way to truely test which car is faster, not more horsepower, is for one person to take both cars down the track and try to drive them exactly the same on each pull...this is nearly impossible

My suggestion is get some stickier rubber...I remember driving my tsi fwd and they are soooo hard to control out of the box...then get a logger, then a mbc, then play with a few more psi and then you will beat him!

 

[Afroclipse]

I don't know about you but that sounds like cheating, the fact of the matter is the other guy has a better turbo, lighter car and i'm guessing no wheel hop as well as equally talented driver, add those together you get his 14.9 and your 15.5 (with wheel hop). Do what the other guy said and trade cars and see who wins, If he does then well you know what the problem is.

 

[nates6969]

Will the t25 hold stock boost to redline? if so then the bigger turbo will play really no added benefit...but I don't feel like getting into my "bigger turbo does not mean bigger power speech"

 

[bling5tatus]

can we argue about whether 1gs or 2gs are better now? hahaha, just kidding... everyone settle down.

 

[nates6969]

haha lets just say they are equally fast...DONE, although, for not being a 2g owner, I will admit the 2gs are sexy beasts

 

[Apeximprt2nr]

How do you know you guys drove the same way down the track? Did he have wheel hop?

 

[Afroclipse]

has anybody with a 2g and 14b upgrade with everything stock ever raced a 1g stock with a equally experienced driver.? who won?

 

[nc90awd]

My buddy has a 2g 98 gsx with the stock t25. He has 3" exhaust, 550cc injectors, fmic, DSM link, 25lbs of boost, ect.... The car is freaking fast for a t25, it would probably run a low 13.

 

[Apeximprt2nr]

My buddy has a 2g 98 gsx with the stock t25. He has 3" exhaust, 550cc injectors, fmic, DSM link, 25lbs of boost, ect.... The car is freaking fast for a t25, it would probably run a low 13.

Umm, it's also a freaking fast way to blow that T25. And what does this have to do with racing a 14b 2g?

 

[bling5tatus]

25psi on a t25? are you sure?

 

[nc90awd]

Umm, it's also a freaking fast way to blow that T25. And what does this have to do with racing a 14b 2g?

It had nothing to do with a 2g with a 14b.... I didn't know this thread was about a 2g with a 14b.
And who cares if you blow up a t25, if it does blow then its time to upgrade and make some real power.
Im letting the guy that started the thread know that you should spend your money on supporting mods first, then change the turbo.

 

[nc90awd]

25psi on a t25? are you sure?

yes i'm sure

 

[dsm-onster]

No you're not. . . (25 psi at 3K is not 25 psi at redline)


Back to why every one is saying that the loss is because he has a t25. WTF

does everyone know that a 2g has a higher rated HP than a 1g from the factory? If both are stock then where's a 2g "slower" than a 1G? Waht mods does this 1G guy have?

Wheelhop kills you 60ft. Both can lose traction BUT wheelhop is slows more than a consistant burnout that stil pulls you forward. Wheelhop goes no where.

 

[Afroclipse]

The original thread is asking why his newer lighty modded car lost to a older lightly modded car, the whole point is to satisfy his curiosity not to tell him what he needs to beat the other car because i'm sure the man knows the basic mods.

So sir how about adding your .02 about why he lost to the 1g

 

[yeomans]

the most logical reason you lost is that you probably dont have much practice at the drag strip.(i could be wrong) So you probably just havent found the ideal way to launch it/drive it at the track. Just takes practice. Most stock 2g GSTs will run a high 14 to low 15 stock with a driver that knows there car very well.

Just my .02

 

[dsm-onster]

So sir how about adding your .02 about why he lost to the 1g

I'm curious as to why you think wheel hop would not slow one down at the track enough to lose to another equally modded but lighter setup.

Or perhaps your foot got in the way of viewing the screen?

Wheelhop kills you 60ft. Both can lose traction BUT wheelhop is slows more than a consistant burnout that stil pulls you forward. Wheelhop goes no where

I typed fast so the grammer is less than par. But any joe can understand.