1G FMIC - Best one? Are any easy to install?

[kraka]

So far, I have never heard of any complaint, problem or any other negative issue dealing with the Johnny Racer (JR) Intercoolers. The company seems to be truly reliable and the company owner seems to be very helpful. Now, I have not heard that many remarks by 1G JR kit owners but I can tell you that 2G owners that have had experience with this kit and company love to speek up about their bargain coolers. So, in your situation, I would most definitely go for the JR setup.
-BTW: No intercooler setup will be perfect in the way that you will have no cutting/trimming/relocating. If there is any, it will probably be minor and even though it'll probably be annoying, I'm sure it will all be worth it in the end.

 

[Rob Rohr]

Wrong. I have one and only have one stock radiator fan. No overheating anytime even during the hottest of summers.

It's only a 5mph bumper. Tossed it out a long time ago.


1. That's ludicrous honestly. If you want to fit a decent sized core on your 1G you will have to forget about that.
2. What's so "PITA" about looping a P/S line. All you need is a needle nosed pliers. Heck, you don't even cut anything. Takes 2 minutes.
3. Don't get any kit with a short routed piping - better yet, custom make your own fmic kit since most kits will not satisfy this requirement. You want to be picky? Face your own music.
4. Not required with most kits. May not be an issue.
5. Same as 3.
6. Some people have problems at LOW speed others (like me) don't have any problems as stated before.

Hey diambo4life thanks for the reply. I appreciate your input but have to disagree on a few points.

I am sure many more large FMIC users would see cooling problems under road-course track use. Even large FMICs will start to heatsoak in 100F weather after 10mins of near-full boost running and then all that heat goes right into the rad. On the street or the 1/4 mile this issue won't show up. YES, I have DSM track experiences to back this up

Yes the DSMs have "5mph" bumpers but that only means they can withstand a 5mph impact with little or no damage...it does NOT mean that the rebar doesn't add significantly to the crash protection above that speed! Nothing like making your DSM faster and less crash-worthy at the same time

I will have to go along with your feedback on my IC "wish" list. I have come to accept that I will have to remove the stock A/C fan and do some minor trimming to get most FMICs to fit. I still refuse to remove the rebar or have the IC hang below the bumper. Right now I am torn between the Dejon Street FMIC and the ebay JR kit.

 

[peregrine]

Right now I am torn between the Dejon Street FMIC and the ebay JR kit.

thats a no brainer due to the endtanks.

 

[Rob Rohr]

thats a no brainer due to the endtanks.

You mean the JR kits has the better IC design making it a "no brainer" to buy over the Dejon Street?

 

[slvrstingray]

I suggest looking into the DSS intercooler kit. it has one of the lowest pressure drops at ".5" of all the intercoolers on the market. Really nice IC piping, and it is a top bottom flow griffin core intercooler so your turbo will spool very quickly. Some drawbacks are that you have to cut into bumper extensively and lose your factory foglights. DSS intercooler picture

 

[12sec92Tsi]

PLEASE, 2nd request. I cannot access the page on the Green performance site tat shows the intercoolers. I have te dejon street and am selling it t get something that will cool the50 trim's charge. Will someone list the sizes and any specs given for the IC being addressed in this post. The one that does not require cutting. My dejon street FMIC would be great fr an EVO super 16G as I was running one before the 50 trim on the stock sidemount at 18 PSI. The dejon would allow any amount of boost thrown at it by the EVO, even up to 24 PSI on race. I have asked mods to help me place an ad but to no avail so I will list the dejon on Buschur's sit. it is only 1 month old with less than 500 miles along with a set of 720cc inj's from dejon that cost me $307. and I would sacrifice for $240. shipped. I am doing this to save the 50 trim. Again specs on the Green FMIC? PLEASE!

The street kit specs are:
Core: 25"x7"x2.8", 32" with endtanks
Flows 650 cfm at 1.5 psi
78% efficientcy at 60 mph
Comes with short route 2.5" mandrel bent piping and j-pipe, 1g bov flange
All couplings and clamps
Core support must be cut for piping, need slim fan to keep a/c
Cost is $725 with add on options available

 

[peregrine]

You mean the JR kits has the better IC design making it a "no brainer" to buy over the Dejon Street?

exactamundo.

 

[Rob Rohr]

I suggest looking into the DSS intercooler kit. it has one of the lowest pressure drops at ".5" of all the intercoolers on the market. Really nice IC piping, and it is a top bottom flow griffin core intercooler so your turbo will spool very quickly. Some drawbacks are that you have to cut into bumper extensively and lose your factory foglights. DSS intercooler picture

Thanks for the advice but from what I can see the JR core is larger, has better pipe routing and cost about $125 less. I can't see how the DSS makes sense (or most of the other sub-$1000 kits) unless someone can show me that the JR is really poor in one way or another?

 

[pboglio]

I hope you like pressure drop, I've seen the inside of that JR intercooler core. I wouldn't run that core if it was 20" tall, let alone 7".

 

[CanadianTSi]

I ditched the bumper support and the foam piece, my front bumper is only held on by like 2 bolts but it's sill rigid and stays in place. It makes taking the front bumper off like a 5 minute job

 

[CanadianTSi]

I hope you like pressure drop, I've seen the inside of that JR intercooler core. I wouldn't run that core if it was 20" tall, let alone 7".

I don't see what's so bad about it??? Can you prove that there is alot of pressure drop??

He runs this same core in his 1000hp 300zx so it obviously works.

 

[pboglio]

What I'm going to do next time is really recommend a crappy product and then really bad mouth a product that I know is very good. DSMtuners will of course want to do the opposite of what another DSMTUNER suggests, and BINGO, they still get a good product for the money :laugh: Seriously though, no I haven't tested it, I'd have to buy it first and my car wouldn't let that I.C. near it

 

[Bailzz]

Who cares what someone thinks about it, here's feedback from people who have bought, installed and love it........
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142778&page=1&pp=25

 

[Bailzz]

Also that picture is a pic of a Johnnyracecar intercooler and he is speaking of JR's intercoolers, they also had the same discussion on the other forum. Either one looks like a great buy, exspecially the $195 fmic by Johnny RaceCar. If you check out that forum it should answer any question you have about a fmic thats right for you

 

[pboglio]

Rob Rohr,

I'd like to see you buy the BEST I.C. for you car as possible. Buy an I.C. with a Spearco core, quite a few sizes that would fit on your 1G with minimal trimming required. I mean your already looking at smallish sized cores. Don't handicap yourself more by buying an "unkown" quantity. Where is this guys efficiency & pressure charts, where did the vendor buy his cores from? See Spearco or Garrett cores, I know where they come from. Doesn't matter which DSM vendor you buy from. They come with so much supporting research and test info, I don't even question it. Buschur and the rest use these cores for a reason, they are a known quantity right out of the factory. The proof should be placed on the vendors shoulders, NOT the purchaser's, especially from a company I've never heard of in the DSM world.

To the other guy, JR or Johnny Racer, I'm getting the strong feeling either these guys are one and the same or at least using the same core. They call this a FORUM, discussion is considered good. Only scared people are afraid of debate, I don't mind disagreement. But seriously, you should lay down that crack pipe. Its no good for you

 

[slvrstingray]

i agree with pboglio on this one... i'd like to see you with the best kit also... i wanted to justify my reasoning for the DSS kit. So I wanted to provide you with some flow charts for the griffin cores and spearco cores... look at the flow charts vs pressure drop. NOw compare them to any other intercooler that your shopping for. The numbers for the 24x6 griffin core is what you will get with the DSS kit. Good luck and don't buy an intercooler just because of it's face size. do your due dilligence and compare the efficiency of the different intercoolers on the market...

Ray

 

[pboglio]

i agree with pboglio on this one... i'd like to see you with the best kit also... i wanted to justify my reasoning for the DSS kit. So I wanted to provide you with some flow charts for the griffin cores and spearco cores... look at the flow charts vs pressure drop. NOw compare them to any other intercooler that your shopping for. The numbers for the 24x6 griffin core is what you will get with the DSS kit. Good luck and don't buy an intercooler just because of it's face size. do your due dilligence and compare the efficiency of the different intercoolers on the market...

Ray

Nah, they'll never listen to you. You first have to say that DSS kit sucks, then they'll buy it

 

[sweet97]

I emailed DSS to find out if that IC requires bumper cutting. It looks like bar and plate, is it? It's a nice IC but the price will scare most away. For some reason the adage you get what you pay for has not been in effect here with the low ball IC's. Our eyes can be easily deceived especially when it comes to cash. Just like folks get ripped off all the time by telephone gimmacks, usually the elderly. Mark

 

[eclipse90gsxt]

I wouldn't reccomend the SBR FMIC for your application. Its huge and I had to cut my bumper support to hell to make it fit. I wanted the support there to have something to bolt the front bumper to.

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[Bailzz]

Bottom line is till someone posts evidence such as dyno pulls or time slips showing bar and plate is better than tube and fin, its all wasted assumption. I understand FLOW, but the question is which one will work best with a 16g. Plus did you bother looking at the other FORUM on these IC's or did you look at the ten pages and go screw all that reading on just intercoolers? Thats all I'm advising him to do is go and read feedback from people with the exact setup he wants (or has) and see how they feel about these intercoolers. Plus there are plenty of pics and installation advise on that one. Truly this forum shouldn't exist and you should be "debating" on that one. puff puff (hittin crack pipe) :thumbdown

 

[Bailzz]

I see you have read and reply on the other forum but not as harsh there as you are here, you almost like them there. What FMIC are you runnin?

 

[pboglio]

I see you have read and reply on the other forum but not as harsh there as you are here, you almost like them there. What FMIC are you runnin?

Sheesh, didn't know all Tuners were so sensitive. Sorry, now pass that pipe already :laugh:

I speak out because I believe a few guys on these FORUMS actually chime in to help their buddy's shops. When its a marginal product I'm the smart ass that calls them on it and they don't like that. I DON'T believe the pressure drop rating as stated on the "ebay" website. I think I explained why I think this in another FORUM. If I knew for sure I would have posted it in a FAQ. I run an ADFX extruded core FMIC (23"x10"x2.75"). I have the detailed pressure drop and efficiency charts on its bigger brother I.C. (23"x13"x3"). I'm not too concerned about it. Guess what, I still won't recommend it. Not because its not good but because the extruded cores just came out and I'm not 100% convinced myself that the thermal efficiency is as good as is claimed by ADFX. Spearco and Garrett's reputations are beyond reproach, I completely trust their efficiency/pressure drop charts and all of their field data. Thats why I recommend them.

Gene

 

[rhamlinii]

I emailed DSS to find out if that IC requires bumper cutting. It looks like bar and plate, is it? It's a nice IC but the price will scare most away. For some reason the adage you get what you pay for has not been in effect here with the low ball IC's. Our eyes can be easily deceived especially when it comes to cash. Just like folks get ripped off all the time by telephone gimmacks, usually the elderly. Mark

I have there I/C kit and I had to trim the bumper slightly to make it work. I just took it to a muffler shop and asked them to cut where i marked it with a marker.The kit is a good kit and my front mount may not be the biggest but i think it works better then most on the market. Its a top to bottom core and ive notice alot more power with it sitting in front of my car. I also have no type of cooling issues with it what so ever

 

[94Jettameowpsst]

Old thread i know, but i didnt wanna start another one when this one existed...but my question is with the Bushur street fmic, do you have to relocate or move the oil cooler on a 90 gst to make it fit?

 

[tstkl]

i didnt read all this, but i figured id tell you guys, my fmic was increadibly easy. i used the dejon short route fmic kit with the jrc 8 inch rear facing outlet intercooler. if you cut the dejon pipes a little tiny bit shorter, cutting the bumper is almost not required. the only thing i would have had to cut would have been that lip on the bottom of the bumper, and only a little bit at that. i kept my stock fogs. also, i used a pair of pliers (yes, two) to simply rip off the metal in the way of the uicp and licp. then i removed the ac system and bent the supports for the ac condenser down a little. then i had to get a new ps cooler and move the oil cooler (91's dont have an external oil cooler, and since i didnt cut those pipes i actually didnt, but if you wanted to cut the pipes and move the intercooler back the extra 25 mm so the bumper would fit on with practically no cutting, you would have to move the oil cooler.) and mount the fmic basically where the ac compressor was. the intercooler fits between the support beams of the bumper. what i had to do is cut the back face of the bumper and hammer that main support thing down a little. o well, it was practially nothing compaired to what ive seen. looks great too. just have to install some screen door stuff so no rocks can hurt my baby. i didnt have to cut the plastic bumper at all, just the metal bumper support beam thingy.