1g 2g lifter question

[slopefunk]

I just got my new lifters, and there about an 1/8th of a inche smaller than my stock one. The lifters are from Top line there 2g lifters, but I wanted to put them in a 1g head. So are 1g lifters and 2g lifters different
thanx

 

[slopefunk]

alright called top line today they told me that the part number on the box is the correct one for 4g63 engine. I also called mitsu to check part # for 1g and 2g lifters same part#. Damn I new they were interchangable. Anyway called them they told me that the lifters would work just fine, and b4 I could ask the question he said let me guess you just pulled your stock lifters out and the one we sent you are shorter. He said they will work just fine. they said they have used them in all there mitsu motors, but still. Im thinking damn this is my first mitsu import rebuild. I always thought that these imports are super tight tolerance motors but crap an 1/8th of inch difference. I asked him to explain it to me and he started talking about the plunger desighn on the rocker so mitsu changer the lifter desighn bla bla bla bla . Anyways I need some experience here am i safe or should I crap these lifters.

 

[osswalam]

They are smaller because all the oil is bled out of them and the new lifters are collapsed. Once you put the new ones in they will fill with oil and be the same length as the old ones. When you start your engine you may have some valves clatter for a minute until the head gets good oil pressure. I sometimes crank my engine with the plug wires off but last time it didn't help, I had to start it and let it idle for a minute before they stopped.

 

[2.4 turbo Hyped]

alright called top line today they told me that the part number on the box is the correct one for 4g63 engine. I also called mitsu to check part # for 1g and 2g lifters same part#. Damn I new they were interchangable. Anyway called them they told me that the lifters would work just fine, and b4 I could ask the question he said let me guess you just pulled your stock lifters out and the one we sent you are shorter. He said they will work just fine. they said they have used them in all there mitsu motors, but still. Im thinking damn this is my first mitsu import rebuild. I always thought that these imports are super tight tolerance motors but crap an 1/8th of inch difference. I asked him to explain it to me and he started talking about the plunger desighn on the rocker so mitsu changer the lifter desighn bla bla bla bla . Anyways I need some experience here am i safe or should I crap these lifters.

WRONG! I can speak from experience and tell you that the 2g style lifters mitsu made are crap. They are loud and clackety. Mitsu made a 3g style lifter that is famous for quieting down the noisy valvetrain. They can be found on ebay for 125 a set. They are the same length as the 1g ones but with the 2g holes. You need the 3g revised lifters those are the best ones.

 

[ballagsx]

maby he said 2g and ment 3g?
thinking that being revised they were the 2nd generation of lifters?

 

[2.4 turbo Hyped]

maby he said 2g and ment 3g?
thinking that being revised they were the 2nd generation of lifters?

No there are three types of lifters 1g=tall ones with small oil holes, 2g = short ones with large oil holes, 3g=tall ones with large oil holes. The 3g are the ones you want.

 

[rsr93]

alright called top line today they told me that the part number on the box is the correct one for 4g63 engine. I also called mitsu to check part # for 1g and 2g lifters same part#. Damn I new they were interchangable. Anyway called them they told me that the lifters would work just fine, and b4 I could ask the question he said let me guess you just pulled your stock lifters out and the one we sent you are shorter. He said they will work just fine. they said they have used them in all there mitsu motors, but still. Im thinking damn this is my first mitsu import rebuild. I always thought that these imports are super tight tolerance motors but crap an 1/8th of inch difference. I asked him to explain it to me and he started talking about the plunger desighn on the rocker so mitsu changer the lifter desighn bla bla bla bla . Anyways I need some experience here am i safe or should I crap these lifters.

i run the exact lifters you have (top line) big oil hole.they are a good quality lifter put them in.
those are the ones you want. they will work fine.

i have had mine in for 2 years now with no problems.

( other topline products are shit though. like gaskets i have had lots of bad gaskets from them in the past. headgaskets inparticular for various customers cars from toyota's to honda's to DSM's). i hate doing a HG twice.
just stay away from topline gaskets for future referance for what its worth. other crap from them has been fine.

 

[slopefunk]

Alright Im back Just got off the phone with Polk Perfromance and they told me they wont work. they said they should be the same lenght as my 1g lifter just with the big oil hole. So I called Top Line back talked to a different guy there He said the same thing that they will work just fine.
rsr93 so you havent had any problems with the lifters How come there shorter I dont understand the fill up with oil and get bigger? posted earlier. I really am getting anxious to get my motor together, and dont want to shell out another 125 bucks for lifters. however if there crap I would rather wait. I dont want ticking in my new motor hit me back
thanx

 

[burldude]

he started talking about the plunger desighn on the rocker so mitsu changer the lifter desighn bla bla bla bla . Anyways I need some experience here am i safe or should I crap these lifters.

Maybe you should call him back up and listen this time . bla bla bla,, Hmm they do need to pump up though .

 

[rsr93]

Alright Im back Just got off the phone with Polk Perfromance and they told me they wont work. they said they should be the same lenght as my 1g lifter just with the big oil hole. So I called Top Line back talked to a different guy there He said the same thing that they will work just fine.
rsr93 so you havent had any problems with the lifters How come there shorter I dont understand the fill up with oil and get bigger? posted earlier. I really am getting anxious to get my motor together, and dont want to shell out another 125 bucks for lifters. however if there crap I would rather wait. I dont want ticking in my new motor hit me back
thanx

hydraulic lifters are self adjusting and maintenance free. Polk "Performance" should know this.
if they crap out you clean them and or change them.

i have installed 3 sets of topline lifters in dsm's

2-1g dsm's

1-2g dsm

all problem free. put them in.

 

[2.4 turbo Hyped]

The short 2g style lifters are not the ones you want. The 3g style ones are the ones you want. Trust me on this.

 

[slopefunk]

I do listen just when you have a mechanic from Polk Performance saying no there crap and somebody from topline that sounds like some back yard mechanic telling me yes I get a little frustrated. Anyways yeah I live about 20 minutes from POlk and they told me they would not work. I dont know. .

 

[2.4 turbo Hyped]

They will work but you may get phantom knock from them as they are not the "final" revised version of lifters from mitsu. They are better than the 1g lifters but the 3g lifters are the best. Did that clear things up for you?

 

[rsr93]

Correctamundo 2.4 turbo Hyped.... you confused his ass


yep the 3g lifter revison is supposed to be the best. yep are as tall as the 1g lifters.
shit if it is PROVEN to eliminate my occasionally low rpm(only under 2500k) phantom knock i will buy a set.
anyone with the 3g revision of lifters eliminate there phantom knock COMPETELY please chime in on this thread.
and let me know so i can buy a set.

the Polk "Performance" guys are wrong slopefunk.

Also you have a set of topline 2g lifters that i have been running for quite a while now.
2g lifters adjust the lash out fine and the oil holes are big.
problem free"no lifter ticking" as have 2 other people that i have mentioned earlyer.

slopefunk they work great for me and more than a few others im sure. just change your oil regularly.
and like ive been saying all this time put them in ............

but who ever you got them from they should have sold you the 3g revision since they are out now and take the place of the 2g lifter... you kina got screwed there. but like i say they work fine.

if you want to read more about lifter crap do a search and you will get tons of shit. all this has been talked about before anyways.

and shit i guess you never read this i never thought about that .
use the vfaq and the search. they are quick resources for common easy answers.
http://www.vfaq.com/mods/lifters.html

 

[ballagsx]

so i take it that the 3g lifters come in the 3g eclipse? or are they just the third revision to fix the ticking in our cars only.
basicaly what im asking is, if i walk in to a parts store and asked for the lifters from a 200+ eclipse they would give me the third revision of lifters? or seeing as how they are revised (and i am guesing that they would replace the old ones) would they give you the 3g lifters if you were to just ask for lifters for an eclipse?

 

[2.4 turbo Hyped]

so i take it that the 3g lifters come in the 3g eclipse? or are they just the third revision to fix the ticking in our cars only.
basicaly what im asking is, if i walk in to a parts store and asked for the lifters from a 200+ eclipse they would give me the third revision of lifters? or seeing as how they are revised (and i am guesing that they would replace the old ones) would they give you the 3g lifters if you were to just ask for lifters for an eclipse?

Dont confuse the lifters with the year of car. 3g lifter is just the final revision from mitsu. It has nothing to do with a 2000 non dsm.

 

[Juggalo]

This thread is getting no where. The lifters are fine. They LIFT , thus making them taller.

Are you putting your head together yourself? You may want to rethink this. The labor won't be too much. That way you will know for sure that they fit, seeing as someone who understands how lifters work would be installing them.

 

[2.4 turbo Hyped]

This thread is getting no where. The lifters are fine. They LIFT , thus making them taller.

Are you putting your head together yourself? You may want to rethink this. The labor won't be too much. That way you will know for sure that they fit, seeing as someone who understands how lifters work would be installing them.

Sure they lift but they wont be as quiet as the 3g lifters.

 

[Polk]

hydraulic lifters are self adjusting and maintenance free. Polk "Performance" should know this.

What you fell to think about here is that Mitsu has made many of the same style of lifter in many different lengths. The 4G63 lifter has an install height of 2.118 I have seen Topline send a wrong set that was mislabeled out the door before.

Yes they are hydraulic, but that will only take care of so much lash. I have had custom grind cams done before with a slightly smaller base circle (.030) and they could never pump up enough to calm it down. We had to make our own lash cap to correct this.

slopefunk if you have a Micrometer measure the length of the lifter and see what the difference is.


Polk

 

[AdoreGSX]

what 3g lifters do i need? the 2.4 or the 3.0? Will they fit on my 2g?

 

[trbotaln]

lifters

90-94 =1g

94.5-96 =2g

97-99 =3g


The 3rd revision of lifters is the best money I have ever spent. No more phantom knock!

 

[AdoreGSX]

ohhhh, i usually refer to 97-99 as 2Gb...thank you for the clarification, I called up my mitsu contact and was quoted for 20 bucks per lifter for the 3rd gen 2000 eclipses...hope they are cheaper for the 97-99

 

[2.4 turbo Hyped]

They sell jdm racing revised 3rd generation lifters for the 4g63 motors on ebay. I havent bought a set but have heard good things about them. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...tem=7934582648&category=33614&sspagename=WD1V

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33614&item=7942912730&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V

I wasnt able to find the jdm ones that I have seen before but these ones seem to be comparable. The parts dinosaur guy in the second link is really good. I buy gasket sets from him frequently.

 

[AdoreGSX]

jdm? i didnt think there was a jdm eclipse...thanks for the links...the dinosaur guy lifters look like what i need...thank yas

 

[Car Cannibal]

I have the 3g's and still get phantom knock. I also have a new knock sensor.

Phantom Knock is not only from the lifters, load and timing are two of the biggest problems. Get a chip that ignores the knock sensor till atleast 25% TPS and watch it go away.

Here they are on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...tem=7942191672&category=33614&sspagename=WD1V

Whats more impressive is this guy has over 4k sales without a complaint, impressive considering he does a lot of import sales.