what size fuel system do I need. E85

[TurboTJ]

I am getting ready to order my fuel system and I have a few questions. I will be tuning with an AEM EMS.

1. The shop I have been going to says that with 1000CC injectors, I will not idle right because they will not shut fully or something. Is this true? How big of injectors will I need?

2. How big of fuel pump will I need? I thought a 255 high pressure would cut it but they are trying to convince me to go with dual 255s. What pump will handle this it?

3. I will be replacing the fuel injectors, FPR, and pump. Is there anything else that would be a bottle neck or wouldn't be compatible with E85?

Thanks for the help!

 

[McFox]

If you plan on running e85 and your asking those sorts of question about fuel systems I would do a little bit more research.

The guys on the Neon forums have a lot of information. I believe one guy is even running straight e85 on his turbo neon. Head over there and take a look.

 

[JDMHVN]

What is the need for such an aggressive setup?

 

[1gDSM4g63]

What is the need for such an aggressive setup?

Yeah why such a setup?? You have to look at other things first if you want power, like bigger turbo, more internal work on the block, i.e. cams, blueprinted, honed, etc... and you will definitely need a fuel system, i.e. pump, fpr, and bigger injections.

 

[slugsgomoo]

depends on the turbo, the amount of boost, and the timing you're going to be running, among other things.

Some of the guys out here are getting 1600cc's to idle just fine with dsmlink and E85, even though they won't idle (well) on gasoline.

I would say that anything over a 16g i'd be looking into 1000cc's. Friend up here was running a rewired 255hp with 1600's with his FP3052 at like 28+psi and seemed to be doing fine and trapping in the 129+ range [shrug]

 

[turbotalon1g]

WHat size turbo are you running, i have 880s for my B16G and i have plenty of room.

 

[inneedof]

1000's work great for e85, does the shop your dealing with have any experence tuning on e85?

 

[jazzybeats]

You should check on DSMtalk.com there is lots of info on this subject on there...
-Jason

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184811&highlight=E85

 

[TurboTJ]

I want to experiment with E85. I am just looking for a fuel system with head room that will work well as a daily driver.

thanks for all the help

 

[Ajax]

I just switched to E-85 and in the process of installing my 1600cc injectors, but I am running Megasquirt with the HiResolution Code so they say that should not be a problem. The fuel pump thing might be true bc I was told that I would need two pumps aswell. Also I have a straight -6AN fuel line from the tank and alot of people on here told me to utilize the injectors I need to go to -8AN line

 

[Bmxr152]

Is there anyway to use the SAFC to tune it, so you can have a pump gas tune and an E85 tune?

 

[forcefed 95]

I think i would be hard to tune e85 on a safc as you need atleast 1000cc inectors casue with e85 you need atleast 30% more fuel than with regular gas. And being that safc max is like 650s and to try and get an extra 30% out of it, your idcs would be through the roof.

 

[spooled_u_1st]

Yes. You can't run e85 with a SAFC. It can't run the size injectors needed. If your running a evo III 16g you need more than 1000cc injectors. 1200cc injectors are required to max it out without running over 80% IDC.

 

[forcefed 95]

So you telling me that you throw a set 1200cc in your car and tune with safc. I think i would be really hard to tune.

 

[slugsgomoo]

i can't imagine that you could succefully tune the car with just an SAFC for E85. You would need at minimum some sort of chip like Keydiver's over at dsmchips or dsmlink/aem/etc.

 

[donk]

You wont need 1150:s to max out a 16 either.

/A

 

[Hal]

If you plan on running e85 and your asking those sorts of question about fuel systems I would do a little bit more research.

The guys on the Neon forums have a lot of information. I believe one guy is even running straight e85 on his turbo neon. Head over there and take a look.

He'd probably get better information from other DSM guys who are ACTUALLY running E85

 

[inneedof]

If you plan on running e85 and your asking those sorts of question about fuel systems I would do a little bit more research.

The guys on the Neon forums have a lot of information. I believe one guy is even running straight e85 on his turbo neon. Head over there and take a look.

There are a ton of people on this board who are running on straight e85/e98, i dont see the point in finding out what neon guys are doing.

 

[RvlutionMtrsprt]

For your E85 "project" get some FIC 1600cc injectors and a Walbro 255 w/AFPR. If the shop that is tuning your car knows E85 and AEM EMS tuning you will be fine until you start to make some really big horsepower.

 

[TurboTJ]

So the rest of the fuel system can handle it? I figured that a 255 would cut it. At what WHP number do you outflow the fuel lines and rail?

Thanks for all the help!

 

[spooled_u_1st]

No you DSMLink to tune with. SFAC's can only to injectors up to 650's.

And you can probably get away with 1000's but for the same price I'd go with 1200's just to run at a lower IDC.

 

[spooled_u_1st]

Did you miss the part were I said that "You can't run e85 with a SAFC."

You are going to need at least a walbro 255hp or supra tt pump and an afpr with a liquid gauge for your fuel supply.

 

[TurboTJ]

Did you miss the part were I said that "You can't run e85 with a SAFC."

You are going to need at least a walbro 255hp or supra tt pump and an afpr with a liquid gauge for your fuel supply.

Did you miss the beginning where I said EMS?

So will I have any drivablity issues with 1200s? What is the brand to go with for these?

 

[95talonracer]

I run 1600's, 255 rewired, and a simple FPR with straight e-85. Works great for me at 30+ PSI.

 

[TurboTJ]

I run 1600's, 255 rewired, and a simple FPR with straight e-85. Works great for me at 30+ PSI.

What turbo are you running?