used turbo timer, should i get this?

[clownface]

Theres a dude that wants to sell me his old turbo timer, Blitz FATT DC that he used on his 98 GST eclipse because he got a wireless starter and stuff so he dosnt need it anymore...or thats what he says. He wants 50 bucks for it, hes letting me borow it so i can plug it up and see if i want it before i pay him...however i dunno how to install it and i dont have any instructions but im gonna look around online for some and it does have the harness with it........Does 50 bucks sound like a good deal? or should i talk him down?? the thing looks fine, no scratches or anything i just dont know if it works yet. opinions?

 

[Defiant]

You have no use for a turbo timer with a water-cooled turbo. [/opinion]

 

[clownface]

oo i know, i know that theres not really any need for it cause the water cooling and how it still moves once the car is off or something like that...ive seen you post something about that before.....i just want one cause of the cool factor Does that price sound right to anyone???

 

[UndergroundR32]

.....i just want one cause of the cool factor

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[clownface]

aawww come on, someone has to know if 50 bucks is to much for a used blitz fatt DC....

 

[mitsuclipsegsx]

whats a water cooled turbo........ and i am a bit confuses what aturbo timer does, i know it has to do w/ something when the car cools down(the turbo) the car shuts off, BUT that means u need to be next to the car, and cant set in and go in ur house???

 

[clownface]

The turbos on our cars have oil and coolant runing through them so we have oil/water cooled turbos....and thats a good thing. What a turbo timer does is gives the turbo a chance to cool off by keeping the oil and/or coolant pumping through the turbo. You dont really need one with a water cooled turbo though because the water still moves through it once the car is off..something about heat..i dunno...but it cant hurt to have one and i think there cool. A basic turbo timer wires into the ignition and keeps the car on for a period of time after you take out the key and it turns the car off for you when that time is up....the one i have has a feature where if you let off the E brake while the timer is doing its thing the car shuts off that way someone cant just jump in and drive it.

 

[clownface]

got it hooked up, it works fine, 50 bucks?? good deal bad deal?????

 

[Anomoly#5]

Money is better spent elsewhere but $50 is a good price for a tt. I would just sell it to some ricer for $80-$100. but if you want to keep it go for it, I would just let my car run for a minute before a shut it off if I was that concerned.

 

[mitsuclipsegsx]

so what turbo dont have oil and coolant runing through them ??? also if i got a turbo timer what about my alarm, if i dont lock it in like 20 sec it locks itsself, its the viper one

 

[clownface]

Im not sure, but, i think most turbo kitted cars are oil only turbos. Turbo timers dont really have anything to do with the locks...as for the alarm...im not sure.

 

[rowlex]

I'd say get it if you like it, if you dont come up with double the price and get the hks turbo timer type-1 it KFA! Look up its info.

I need to clear something up here....when the engine shuts off in our cars, the water pump, which is driven by the crank stops moving, therefor NO coolant OR oil is still flowing, everything is off.

 

[clownface]

no no no, theres something about hot water moving around...i dont really remember, ask defiant he knows.

 

[92awddsm]

well if the water flowed without the water pump pumping it, we wouldnt need a waterpump now would we. Defiant, you need to do more research before you start giving bad suggestions. If you run the car hard and boost hard before you shut it off, the turbo is going to be hot and just get hotter causing the oil to coke in the turbo. When the engine is shut off, no water flows through the turbo. In order for it to cool properly, water has to flow from the tubo and through the radiator in order to disperse heat. Without the waterpump circulating the water, it will just heat up more before it cools down. The only movement of the water at that time is because of it boiling which does nothing for cooling.

 

[clownface]

well dont get mad at him, i could be remembering wrong, i dont really remember what it was......

 

[92awddsm]

Im not getting mad, I just think his information is misleading and as a mod, he shouldnt do that. Too many people will think they dont need a tt and then there will be a whole lot of turbos that are shot and a lot of mad people.

 

[cuttheduck]

Im not getting mad, I just think his information is misleading and as a mod, he shouldnt do that. Too many people will think they dont need a tt and then there will be a whole lot of turbos that are shot and a lot of mad people.

I think hes saying that if you just take it a little easy for the last part of your trip and wait like 20 seconds you should be fine.Hell, look in the mirror and remove that spaghetti sauce or something and you're good to go. There are many people who drive hard and shut the car right off and don't have a problem. My stock turbo still going strong and i only let it cool down more then 10 seconds if i have really driven hard right before i park. And its only got a 100,000 grand on it.
i would buy the TT for that cheap though, i'm just saying weather the turbo lives or dies is not dependant on a TT or not.

 

[kxcntry99]

What about turbo upgrades? I am looking to go to an evo turbo as soon as I can...is that a water cooled turbo as well?

 

[92awddsm]

All mitsu turbos are watercooled.

 

[LifIsPeachy02]

i agree with defiant. i don't have a TT and my turbo is just fine. I run it hard during the summer and most of the time i don't let my turbo cool down before i turn the car off. My turbo still runs good doesn't burn oil has VERY minimal shaft play.

 

[92awddsm]

Well my opinion, that is stupidity. I belive more in preventive maintenance than taking a chance. A tt is a lot smaller investment than replacing a turbo. Do what you want but I always time my water cooled turbo just so I dont have to spend extra, unneeded money.

 

[Defiant]

well if the water flowed without the water pump pumping it, we wouldnt need a waterpump now would we.

Nor did cars have them until the Model A Ford.

Defiant, you need to do more research before you start giving bad suggestions.

Oh, don't even start, my young friend.

If you run the car hard and boost hard before you shut it off, the turbo is going to be hot and just get hotter causing the oil to coke in the turbo. When the engine is shut off, no water flows through the turbo.

Sure it does. The piping is open to the water jacket. Since the turbo spool will be slightly warmer than the block, the warmer water will rise out of the spool and draw in cooler water from the block. This is a thermosiphon, and it's how water was circulated in the Model T without a circulating pump.

In order for it to cool properly, water has to flow from the tubo and through the radiator in order to disperse heat. Without the waterpump circulating the water, it will just heat up more before it cools down. The only movement of the water at that time is because of it boiling which does nothing for cooling.

Your water had better not be boiling in your engine, or there's something seriously wrong. That's why the system is pressurized, to raise the boiling point. Antifreeze will also raise the boiling point of pure water. So long as the thermostat is open -190° in a DSM- you'll have the same thermosiphon going on from the block through the radiator, and everything is being cooled. So long as there's water in the cooling system, the spool won't get hotter than 250°F in the area of the bearing, well below the coking point of normal automotive oil. Synthetics are even more tolerant of heat.
Another reason that turbo timers are little more than a toy for a water-cooled spool is that you're getting many magnitudes of order better cooling by driving at ten miles and hour than at idle- you're passing much, much more air and more effectively moving the water and oil than you are at idle. If you take the last mile to your house at less than fifty, or if you're at less than ¼-throttle, you'll be cooler than ten minutes of turbo timing.


So nyah.

 

[Anomoly#5]

True.

 

[UndergroundR32]

Yikes. You got served.

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[boostedinaz]

I will agree with both. What Defiant said is true and very correct, but this is a very inexpensive piece that can only help. Most people just say I will leave that car on for about a minute while i wait. My TT is set for one minute and when you are just sitting there you only let it sit for about 15-20 sec at most. I can walk all the way from my car to my office and turn on my computer before I here my car turn off. I know that when a buddy of mine would just sit in his car he would only wait for a few seconds and thought it was about a minute.

Basically, its cheap, does a good job with no ill affects, and will only make your turbo last longer. Do you need it???? No.

Michael