Supra Sidemount Install

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Was something wrong with my post?

No, I said thanks for your post. Your post was perfect. Just the type of info I was looking for, why do you ask?

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

Turbo type EVO 16G
Amount of boost 18
Type of fuel pump 190
Size of injectors 680
Octane of fuel 93?
Type of air metering (ex: stock, GM MAF) stock

I've been running the supra sidemount since the beginning of the year, no complaints

Thanks! This is what I've read from most of the users on the DSM boards.

 

[dnhieu]

i just bought one of these intercoolers. i decided to get one mainly because i seen my buddie run a 12.6 on a 14b with this intercooler. he also did it with a 2.5inch exhaust . i dont want to take over your thread but i think this info will be helpful to yourself to. can people post pics of this thing installed or any secrets to installing it without it hanging down too low.

thanks

eclipse talon laser

 

[RiceKiller_TSi]

i just bought one of these intercoolers. i decided to get one mainly because i seen my buddie run a 12.6 on a 14b with this intercooler. he also did it with a 2.5inch exhaust . i dont want to take over your thread but i think this info will be helpful to yourself to. can people post pics of this thing installed or any secrets to installing it without it hanging down too low.

thanks

eclipse talon laser

You're not taking over, thats why I started this thread. I will be taking pictures of my installation when I get my engine back in and posting them. VFAQ.com has pictures too but I don't think I'm going to install mine that way.

 

[Malero5]

Where can I find one.

Will it hold up with a Evo III 16g pushing about 22-24 pounds of boost on race gas.

Is the piping usually shorther with the sidemount?

TYIA

 

[taylorspl]

dsmtrader.com
car-part.com

Yes.

I don't understand the question.

 

[Malero5]

Well my FMIC I have now is has piping on both sides and I know im gonna have to route the one side all the way around. So I am asking...in general...is sidemount piping shorter then FMIC piping.

 

[RossY]

Ok so let me get this straight, you want to go from a FMIC to a supra sidemount? I hope that there is something seriously wrong with your FMIC and your not just downgrading to a sidemount.

Well benefit of the doubt i guess. Anyway, you should be able to use your existing UICP for the sidemount as long as it goes to where the stock location of the sidemount is around your intake filter. As for the Lower pipe, your probably going to have to get some piping for that as the routing is totally different.

 

[dalatinromeo]

why would you want to buy a supra sidemount, when you have a fmic now. the supra sidemount was designed to be efficient until 400hp, any decent fmic should be able to cool an evoIII on 22-24 psi.

my only question is why do you want to buy a supra sidemount, if you have a fmic. what i think you're thinking is if a supra sidemount has shorter routing then a fmic then you would benefit from using the supra sidemount. is that your reason your asking is the piping shorter then a fmic.

oh yeah you can also check out dejontool for the supra sidemount or ebay they sometimes pop up on there

 

[Malero5]

I have 2 good reasons for a supra sidemount. 1. I dont want to block the radiator (I live in a decently hot climate and use this car to travel 20 miles on the highway 3-4 times a week) 2. I want the sleeper affect....no frontmount means i can squeeze some money out of cars at the track.

 

[funniegus]

I got mine off of ebay for 120 shipped.

 

[Steve93Talon]

I've never run a Supra SMIC, but I have some experience with SMICs. I currently run a Dejon super SMIC which is quite larger than the stock IC. On the stock IC, I ran 12.53 @ 109.79. The charge temp at the end of the track was 240F. By the top of 3rd gear, it's heat soaked enough to cause alot of knock.

With the larger SMIC, on a hotter day and the same tuning, I saw just over 200F by the end of the track. There were a few counts of knock by 4th, but the car definitely pulled way stronger up top. I improved to a 12.19 best ET and 111.34 best MPH so far. This is on a 14b tuned to 12:1 AFRs on VP unleaded gas.

The bottom line is any IC will heat soak, it's just a matter of how long it takes. Any SMIC will be heat soaked by the end of a 1/4 mile pass, you pretty much just have to tune for what the car's doing in 4th. This means sacrificing power through the lower gears. You could always run water/meth injection to offset the rising temps, too.

A last option, more complex but far more efficient, is a water/air in the stock location. This would give you the sleeper look and be far more efficient than any air/air at the track. On the street, even with ambient water, it's still at least as efficient as a big air/air. You'll have less pressure drop through the core, too.

 

[DSMunknown]

yeah, the supra smic or a water to air ic is also a choice for sleepers. or you could stick with your front mount and powder coat it black. that's what i'll be doing next year.

also, investing in a fmic that has the endtanks on the same side would have shorter piping than the opposite endtank option. im refering to the hahn racecraft fmic here. check out their site here to see what im talking about. in the second picture though, i believe for the 4G63 the endtanks would be on the other side.

 

[1LE]

Where can I find one.

Toyota owner's meet is a good place Some of these Supra guys have piles of them in their basements... Should be able to get one for around $50 if you can find it locally. If you have to resort to ebay you will probably pay 2-3x as much.

 

[NeOzz1]

120 shipped and you can have mine... recently found out it is almost impossible to mount on an auto car

 

[brb1082]

as someone who is running a b16g on 21 pounds with a supra smic let me clue you in on a few things. First off DONT do it..., its great for the sleeper effect and all but if your planning to push more then 23 psi on race gas it wont really hold believe me i tried. After 3 runs tops it starts heat soaking and you have to allow it cool down period where as a fmic wont have it occur as much. I used to love stomping on evo's when they look for a fmic but like 3 different cars later i wouldnt be pulling as hard due to that smic becoming inefficent. Def keep you front mount no matter what also the custimization of the ic pipes was a pain in the ass to make the supra sidemount flow properly to the b16g. Also the supra smic runs extremly shitty in hotter whether. With a fmic DO NOT paint the fmic core black either that deducts the effeciency level as well. But yeah you can find one mad cheap on ebay i got mine for like 115 shipped and the fins where in great condition. So basically what im saying is keep the fmic. But if you want to trade your fmic for my smic and all the custumized piping let me know. Cause i want a fmic .

 

[pickens]

Performance wise, the supra sidemount is perfect for a 16g style turbo. However, if you plan on pushing 23-24psi routinely then the end tanks will not hold up. They will start to leak. Installing the IC is not hard either. I used hacked my stock LICP and used plumber's tape for the brackets. For the price, definately a great IC for a 16g.

 

[DSMunknown]

With a fmic DO NOT paint the fmic core black either that deducts the effeciency level as well.

uh, yeah ask dave brode what he thinks about this subject. i already asked him a few weeks ago. here is the message he sent me:

Anthony,
Some feel that dark colors make it hold heat better. I think it makes darned little difference. The lacquer or epoxy will hold up better than spray can enamel.
Thanks.
Dave

here is another message he sent me about this:

Hi Anthony,
I'd use primer on the bov too. Afaik, paint will not hurt a thing. Did you use lacquer black, or enamel?

I would not paint an IC. I'd prefer powder coating.
Thanks.
Dave

and here is one more that he sent me:

Hi Anthony,
Yea, I like epoxy or lacquer for the color coat, but lacquer doesn't shine real well, unless you sand a buff it. Either of those holds up better than enamel. Powder coating is a spray process, but is much tougher than paint. Special equippment is needed. It goes on thin, but covers well. I'd use it for an IC that will see road salt.
Dave

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[josherino]

I looked at vfaq on a supra sidemount install on a 1g, but I am wondering if anyone has found any other way to use it as far as a lower intercooler pipe and mounting it on the car.

 

[AWDJDMTALON]

I just removed my Supra smic. The best think I found for the lower I/C pipe is the Dejon Tools Super SMIC lower I/C pipe. I had mine steped up to 2 1/2" at the bottom to match the Supra smic. You will also need at 45 deg. coupler (I used a stock one from the Supra)to go between the "down pipe" part off the turbo to the elbow that comes w/ the piping that attaches to the I/C.

You may have to notch the front cross member about 1/4" for clearance. Not too had to do w/ a hand grinder or plasma cutter if you have one.

When you order it and specify the 2 1/2" step up don't tell them you are using it on the Supra I/C. They will tell you it will not work and won't want to make it for you. I have used this set up for 2 yrs w/o any problems. I went 13.00 at 106mph w/ this and a 16G.

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

i did mine last week. i mounted it with some thick steel foot long pieces. also, i just made my own licp with 3 mild steel mandrel bends. i used a 45* 2.5" turbohoses coupler and 2 90* bends and a 45* with a 2.5"-1.75" turbohoses transition hose.

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

so here are the pics. i havent painted the pipes yet so theres some surface rust, ignore that. i used a 45* and a 90* and a 6" section of straight pipe to do my uicp.
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[josherino]

I have a 4inch intake off my turbo and was wondering if these setups will interfere with that?, but thanks for the info and ideas

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

it all depends on what size piping you want to do, how your piping is routed. remember..this is a custom job. yours will not be exactly the same position as mine. and when you do it, go get some mild steel, not the crappy muffler shop aluminized steel and get it nicely tig welded. you will save yourself the hassle of finding boost leaks later on. do not do multiple couplers. and get the pipes beaded. no jb weld.

 

[josherino]

i would like to try to do 2.5 but what lengths of bent piping do i need?