Supercharger? [Merged 11-8] NOT electric superchargers

[shiftdrift06]

Yea i seen that supercharger kit before, It was on Thomas Knights website but i guess they took it off. If you do some searching youll find that some one was able to fabricate a supercharger kit for the 420A using a supercharger off a Pontiac Bonnevilles.

 

[Defiant]

I've heard of the kit, but have never heard of one actually running. A car from Florida with one on it was up on eBay last winter.

 

[SnoopySLR]

same here, I've never heard or seen one that was running. I remember when the pictures of that first came out. No belt on the blower, bolts missing, no intake..... until I see a 420a with one of those on it in person... I wouldn't get one

I've always wanted to find this, but I think it was custom.

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[92awddsm]

same here, I've never heard or seen one that was running. I remember when the pictures of that first came out. No belt on the blower, bolts missing, no intake..... until I see a 420a with one of those on it in person... I wouldn't get one

I've always wanted to find this, but I think it was custom.

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That also looks like a Thomas Knight one off. He did that setup years ago on a PGT and seemed to work well, but on the 2gn/t the eaton was an easier stup. What you pictured was a paxton, but had the jackshaft to power it. He did quite a few PGT's that were turboed and they seemed to run well. I was going to get one but totalled my car before the purchase. I dont know how his reliability has been with the dsm, but Im sure if you check some probe websites, you will see that he has a good rep with those cars.

 

[99rs]

I have seen that you are really interested in supercharging you 420a. Personly you would have better luck turbocharging. I was reading threw the description and it said it was a kit. WHat are you going to do for FUEL? You are more then likely going to need a header also.
Add it all up and you have enough for a stage 1 turbo. Just my .02

 

[EclipseSH21]

Thomas Knights S/C kit was around 3K. For that price you could buy a turbo kit from Hahn or Star and be making more power, and also if something went wrong there is much more experience with turbosystems on this board, and you could find help/parts somewhat easily.

 

[Initial DSM]

I've heard of the kit, but have never heard of one actually running. A car from Florida with one on it was up on eBay last winter.

Yeah I spoke to that guy on the phone. He didnt live too far from me and I was even going ot come down and take a look at it just for fun, but I never got around to it. He knew absolutely nothing about the car though. Wierd.

 

[youkickedmydog]

Like everyone before me said, its much cheaper to turbo our cars then to charge them. It is cool having something done to your car that not many others have but on 2gnt I have herd nothing but bad things about these kits. They eat belts... alot, for one thing. A similar kit like that went on ebay for 1700 3 weeks ago or so. It didnt sell b/c it was really shady you could tell that the s/c was on a car from the look of the manifold and it came with a bunch of pullys but it lacked brackets for the pullys and lots of other important things... like a place for the mas.

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[SnoopySLR]

am I blind, or is there no fuel rail on that thing? I think I see some yellow accel injectors.

 

[youkickedmydog]

YUP no fuel rail, mas sensor, hook up for the tb is wrong, fmu is beat. Also I checked the sellers history, the pullys that come with the kit were for some ford motor. Only problem is that the kit is advertised at 5 psi. How can you tell what psi it is suppose to produce if Its for a different. For those that have under drive pulllys would see even less boost. It also said that this was a full hook up kit, yet it offers no solution to major problems. The mas sensor. How the heck is it suppose to hook up, You can put it on the housing b/c the blade for the charger runs right along it. It can be put up before the blade b/c it wouldent see the boost. All your left with is to throw it into a runner where there it would probally work but you would get an uneven reading I would imagen. Pullys, there are no mounting brackets showen. I know sometimes its nesscary to fab, But making a bracket isant just bending metal. Lastly it lacks a Tensioner pully for the Extra long belt that the seller has provided. Personally I think its someone who spent a lot of money down a bad road and is just looking to cut even.

 

[Lenn]

Potential noob question but a buddy i work with just put a jackson racing supercharger kit on his '00 civic Si and it made it one nasty little whip. Is there any superchargers that anyone knows about for the 420A. I dont want to go as expensive and potentially unreliable as a turbo but want more performance out of my anemic motor. any input would be appriciated.

 

[97GS-TSpyder]

I remember a few years back there was a guy that put one on his.....Call JR (jackson racing) and talk tot hem about adapting hte neon one to your 420.....i know its around here somewhere, just search using a few different keywords...youll find it promise

 

[cc8balla]

There was a guy on Team-2g that said he used a Eaton M64(I think) from a Bonneville. I talked to him on AIM qquite frequently, and he seemed legit. I'll see if I can find some pics. The only problems is that is has never been real successful, since the 420a dosen't have a ton of extra power to use to run a SC off of stock.

 

[Lenn]

Im not really looking to make the car a street terror but i do want it to get out of its own way when the a/c is on. I will look harder for the JR supercharger but I didnt have too much luck on the website. Posting pics would be great

 

[chicagoavenger]

Noone makes one if that's what your asking

 

[JOEY A]

Maybe you should looking using a T28 From FP?

Lighting fast spool and you can find them used, it would be a simple setup.

 

[DSMcrazy3]

Im not really looking to make the car a street terror

No body makes a supercharger kit for the 420a. I've seen a few of them that have had a supercharger system fabricated, but like I said, only a few.

Whether you want to hear it not I'm gunna have to say if you want more pep just go turbo. You can regulate the amount of boost you want pretty easily and it will cost much less to do that supercharging.

 

[Focker420]

DSMcrazy3 is 100% right i have done the searchin myself i wanted the power but not the turbo like every other talon. But if u really think about it u can more whp out of the turbo thats just increasing your whp.Compared to a supercharger that takes whp to make whp.
so in the end you can spend the 5000 for the custom supercharger or the 3500 for the turbo and the same if not more whp.

Somthin rare i saw was a 2.0L out of a 1g that had both supercharger and a turbo that runs 30+ boost (saw it a car show done by apex)

 

[viridionplague]

hey again people, i recently went to a 2.3 stroker because i like the lower end torque and the fact that the turbo will also spool faster as a resoult, i was howerever thinking about using a supercharger instead of a turbo, the idea behind this is that i look at the cost for everything for a turbo upgrade (turbo, manifold, wastegate, bov, fmic and piping, boost controller, and downpipe) i think the cost a full on turbo upgrade verse switching to a supercharger would be equal to or higher than the supercharged route. as well i also like the quicker throttle response of the charger as well as the quicker boosting and stronger low rpm. so i was wondering if anyone has done this before or could offer some insite on where to start or success vs desaster storries thanks for the time

 

[VTRICCO]

considering the fact that there is no such thing as bolt on supercharger for a dsm you not going to get away any cheaper then doing a full turbo upgrade. Any attempt at a supercharger install will result in a great deal of custom fabrication which can cost an arm and a leg. Just do the turbo upgrade

 

[copper_gst]

The thing about a supercharger is that they are not very upgradeable. Yes you can change out pullies and port it, but beyond that you have little you can do. With a turbo, once you have ran it for a while and find that it isn't fast enough you can upgrade little parts to make you setup better. If cost is the issue then upgrade the turbo setup one thing at a time. You could supercharge it and it would be one of a kind, but be prepared to upgrade it again later down the road.

 

[tkelly27]

Then you can get the super-ultra-mega-fun parasitic drag!
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbo/TurboMaps/M90power.gif
oh, that's not fun at all, sorry.

If you really wanted one, you'd better get to be buddy buddy with someone who knows how to weld aluminum and can fabricate. An intercooler is a good idea, SC's can get hot, so prepare for there to be tubes everywhere. A m90 or m112 could put out some decent power on a 4g, but nothing like a turbo.
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/turbotech.html
(scroll down to the SC section)

 

[viridionplague]

i know there is parasitic drag i expect that, and i know of some good wealding places as well, but whats wrong with some good sheet metal, i know some say it rusts but i know the stuff they use at my work for fabricating stuff is pretty strong and dosent rust at all,

i know i was having problems figuring out how i was going to fix an intercooler in there somehow but as well do you realy need an intercooler that badbeing that your not running 1600 degree exhaust gasses 3 inches from the compressor wheel? as long and the intake was fairily fresh (i.e cold air or vented out the hood) i dont see to much problem

i dont see to much problem running some high boost off of one of these

http://www.pfyc.com/mm5/merchant.mv...B3038&Category_Code=MCUNDER&Affiliate=froogle

and thats just the prted m90 off of the supercharged 3800

i do realise that the power potential is nothing like that of a turbo but i do love the hole shot as well as throttle response

 

[tkelly27]

I got an M90 for letting a guy borrow my cherry picker for 2 days. Came with a nice intercooler too. Look for them on SC fords and GM's in the junkyards or on craigs list. They will go for $100-200. For $1200 you can get a lot more than a ported M90

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...006QQitemZ160117899010QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

You'd probably be able to blow up a stock 1G with one of those.

You do know that you can launch a turbo car under boost, right?

Sheet metal = ? Sheet aluminum won't rust, sheet stainless won't rust. Sheet mild steel will. You could have it powder coated though.

You don't need an intercooler, but it's a really (really) good idea. I'm going to put that free M90 onto a 5.0 (bad idea) and sandwich an air to water intercooler between the outlet and the runners. Basically the IC is a majority of the plenum. It's close to what the cobra and lightning have setup.

http://dagostinoracing.com/images/M-6066-M463V-b.jpg
(see it sandwiched in there?)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-C...009QQitemZ190112839651QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
instead of that expensive thing, I'll be using a free stock turbododge unit I got with the cores reversed.


I guess I was being kind of a jerk. If you do it, good for you. It's not my cup of tea. : )

 

[Talesin]

The head design on a DSM isn't going to make as much low-end power as you might expect... it's been done before, and the results were lackluster at best.