someone PLEASE help me. [clutch problem]

[robs90tsi]

Ok, i bought my damn TSI, and I loved it, until about a week later, when the problems started. This time its the clutch slave cylinder. I replaced it because my car wouldnt shift into gear while driving, and the clutch pedal got stiffer than usual. Well, now after the new cylinder is in, the pedal is too light, and I bled the crap out of it, and it now is worse. It upshifts, but a little rough, and the same while I'm downshifting, it sometimes will grind. Then, when i come to a complete stop, and its in first, and I have the pedal all the way to the floor, it makes this weird noise, almost like a bad powersteering pump noise, and it jerks, like the clutch is grabbing. When I'm at a complete stop, and im in neutral, it wont go into gear unless I turn the car off then put it into gear. What the hell is going on, I need answers so I have a car to drive, PLEASE, thanks.

 

[awdtsi98]

Maybe you should consider changing your fluids and the clutch in general, your spacers for the gear can be grinding if they are warped together from the previous owner hard shifting... But im not the person to ask at all!

 

[robs90tsi]

Maybe you should consider changing your fluids and the clutch in general, your spacers for the gear can be grinding if they are warped together from the previous owner hard shifting... But im not the person to ask at all!

Ive changed every single fluid, except for the brake fluid and powersteering fluid, and it was shifting fine until I started driving home one night from the movies, Ive shifted beautifully, and never beat on it, do you think it could be the clutch itself?? But I saw the clutch before it was put into my car, it was maybe a month old if that, it looked almost brand new, I have no idea what to do next with this car, Im out of $$$, and just moved from CT to IL and now have no access to a lift or experienced mechanics, I dont know anyone where I live, so I have no one to help me with anything, Id like a little more advice or help if possible.

 

[mattspyder]

Calm down dude!!!
Do the 1gs have pedal adjustments?


SELL IT BUY A 2G..................................

 

[robs90tsi]

Ive spent all my $$$ on this car, its got a fresh motor, thats why I dont want to let it go, but the problems dont stop...........I dont know if they have pedal adjustments, the pedal was fine before, until I did the slave cylinder, Im gonna try and bleed the crap out of it again tomorrow, and pray to god that works, unless anyone has any suggestions as to what it could be, Im wondering if not properly bleeding it could do that?????

 

[robs90tsi]

Calm down dude!!!
Do the 1gs have pedal adjustments?


SELL IT BUY A 2G..................................

I would love a 2G, but cant afford it.

 

[CTR67]

From what your describing it sounds more like a mechanical problem with the clutch/pressure plate than with the hydraulics. It makes sense that bleeding the lines would make the pedal harder, air in the line will make it feel mushy.

 

[Dream On]

Yes they do adjust, so try adjusting the clutch pedal. Did you vacuum bleed the system? Did you check the master for leaks? If not, then you'll be right there when you adjust the pedal. I believe its a 14mm nut that you have to loosen, then turn the rod so that the c bracket that it threads into is getting toward the end of the threads on the rod. A little adjustment can go a long way though, so only try a little at a time. And you'll probably need needle nose pliers or vice grips to turn the rod.

 

[robs90tsi]

Yes they do adjust, so try adjusting the clutch pedal. Did you vacuum bleed the system? Did you check the master for leaks? If not, then you'll be right there when you adjust the pedal. I believe its a 14mm nut that you have to loosen, then turn the rod so that the c bracket that it threads into is getting toward the end of the threads on the rod. A little adjustment can go a long way though, so only try a little at a time. And you'll probably need needle nose pliers or vice grips to turn the rod.

How far up the firewall on the inside is all of this, I cant really see anything your talking about, how do you get to it??? A pic would be great if you have one. Also, I did the vacuum bleed differently though, I think that might be it. I had the tube with the fluid and all that, but I had someone constantly filling the resivoir, while I left the bleeder open and had someone just pump the pedal to get all the bad fluid out, I only closed the bleeder to empty the old dirty fluid.

 

[Dream On]

Thats not exactly how you bleed the clutch. Have the line connected to a can of brake fluid, and have it submerged in the fluid. Then open the bleeder, then have someone press the clutch pedal down. Then once its on the floor, close the bleeder, have them pull the pedal up and repeat until there isn't any air in the lines. Here's the tech guide on it, which is a little different than mine:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213503&highlight=bleed
As for the adjustment, its near the bottom of this link:
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/clutchandflywheeltech.htm

And don't give up on the car just yet.

 

[robs90tsi]

Thats not exactly how you bleed the clutch. Have the line connected to a can of brake fluid, and have it submerged in the fluid. Then open the bleeder, then have someone press the clutch pedal down. Then once its on the floor, close the bleeder, have them pull the pedal up and repeat until there isn't any air in the lines. Here's the tech guide on it, which is a little different than mine:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213503&highlight=bleed
As for the adjustment, its near the bottom of this link:
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/clutchandflywheeltech.htm

And don't give up on the car just yet.

I did not know thats how you bleed the system, didnt know the two had to be bled separately, Ill give it a shot.

 

[mmmmbst]

Hey i just had something jut like that happen to my car, same symptoms. Clutch pedal would het hard to press then all of a sudden become easy. Grind ing gears and all of that. It turned out that it was my clutch fork, half of it broke off and wouldnt disengage correctly. Just a thought.

 

[robs90tsi]

Its not that, it didnt do what yours did, the pedal got too soft after I installed the slave cylinder, I bled it wrong, Im gonna try re-bleeding it, and if that doesnt work, then Im screwed.

 

[AJGoldie]

If you hate DSMs so much, perhaps you should sell it and purchase another car...just a thought.

 

[jepherz]

SELL IT BUY A 2G..................................

If you don't like working on your car, sell it and buy a honda!

 

[DECODER22]

alright since ## new and need help i dont want you to suffer im free wed and thur and fri and i have access to a lift everyday etc call my cell 1-708-426-5274 or email me [email protected] and work out a time and day and ill give ya a hand

 

[robs90tsi]

ya, but I also LOVE my talon, its just that I HATE the constant wierd noises, crazy vibration in my cars rear end when im driving and the car is engine braking, the rediculous idle problem, the super super rough shifting, its a mess.

 

[DECODER22]

rob you got aim?

 

[robs90tsi]

alright since ## new and need help i dont want you to suffer im free wed and thur and fri and i have access to a lift everyday etc call my cell 1-708-426-5274 or email me [email protected] and work out a time and day and ill give ya a hand

Your kidding right??? A lift is the reason why I wish I was back in CT, I worked at a dealership, I had access to every mechanical tool known, but out here, Im all alone with a jack, 2 stands, and about 700 dollars in tools , but man, if your serious, I could really use your help.

 

[DECODER22]

whats ## aim sn and yes ill help you

 

[HexKrak]

This is why I love DSM's. I have a problem, and BAM there's thousands of people jumpin down on me to make sure I get it working properly again. Love the DSM community, I couldent own another car.

Other than that, yeah there's other car's that are easier to own, but you said it, DAMN SLOW! For the price, the speed, and the community you can't find better than what you've got.

I hope you get the problem worked out soon. Let us know when you start hitting that performance you're looking for. We always like to know when we've done good.

 

[robs90tsi]

This is why I love DSM's. I have a problem, and BAM there's thousands of people jumpin down on me to make sure I get it working properly again. Love the DSM community, I couldent own another car.

Other than that, yeah there's other car's that are easier to own, but you said it, DAMN SLOW! For the price, the speed, and the community you can't find better than what you've got.

I hope you get the problem worked out soon. Let us know when you start hitting that performance you're looking for. We always like to know when we've done good.

Yup, you people are the only ones keeping me sane, at least if I have a problem, I know I can post it and basically guarintee a proper diagnosis if I cant figure it out myself.

 

[Cool Mr Steve]

Well, now after the new cylinder is in, the pedal is too light, and I bled the crap out of it, and it now is worse. It upshifts, but a little rough, and the same while I'm downshifting, it sometimes will grind. Then, when i come to a complete stop, and its in first, and I have the pedal all the way to the floor, it makes this weird noise, almost like a bad powersteering pump noise, and it jerks, like the clutch is grabbing. When I'm at a complete stop, and im in neutral, it wont go into gear unless I turn the car off then put it into gear. What the hell is going on, someone tell me please, I've just about had it with this car, I need answers so I have a car to drive, PLEASE, thanks.

Absolutely try adjusting the clutch pedal, it definitely sounds like the clutch is not disengaging all the way. As far as the "bad power steering pump noise" when the clutch is in, I'm assuming I have the right noise in my head. My pump, when it was dangerously low on fluids, made a noise similar to but far less severe than when my throwout bearing was going out. Is it only making the noise when the clutch is depressed while in 1st gear??? If not and it is all the time when the clutch is depressed, it sounds like your TOB is taking a dive. Hopefully, though, your just a clutch adjustment away from a happy tranny

 

[robs90tsi]

ok, re-bled the system, it didnt work, the car wont go into any gears while not moving and the car is running, if I try to put it in gear with the clutch depressed all the way, it starts to grind, every gear, now what could it be, why would it be the pedal itself if it was fine before, I shouldnt have to adjust the pedal.

 

[Cool Mr Steve]

I wouldn't know why it would go out of adjustment on its own, but I know that it is possible. Your really going to want to get under there and start trying to adjust it before you do any more driving, otherwise your going to be destroying your synchros. How is the "power steering pump" noise doing? Is it gone? Does it come anytime you have the clutch depressed?