security idea

[jim97gst]

OK, call me paranoid, but I've had someone attempt to carjack me. I screamed like a bi*** and ran, but I still have my car, and I didn't get hurt. I potentially could have gotten shot though. This happened a while ago, but I keep having friends who's cars are getting broken into or stolen. I have a security idea that I think will be pretty inexpensive, and I think highly effective. I know the idea of having a kill switch for the fuel pump has been used before, but I'm thinking of taking it to another level. If you have a kill switch, you've got to have it somewhere that a thief wouldn't find easily, but also be able to get to it pretty easily. I'm thinking of having it somewhere that's difficult to get to, but have a remote control switch, so it could be hidden, and covered with the carpet. And here's the other plus. I could have the switch remote on another ring, so if someone trys to carjack me, I could give them my keys, let them drive away, and then as they drive away, I can kill the fuel pump and they can only drive a little bit away. I'm not really sure of where to source the remote control switch, or how much it would cost. Other than that, I think the costs would be trivial. Plus, if you are doing a fuel pump re-wire anyway, the work would be not that much more.

What do you guys think? Where would good place to get, and how much do you think it would cost, to get a remote control switch? Am I dumb and this sort of thing is already availbe as an off the shelf solution to car theft.

 

[xpr626]

You can go to auto zone and hey have a wireless relay kit for any 12 volt device...around 29 bucks.


Also, get a gun.

 

[frigginlazer]

Push button starter mounted out of sight.

Also I havent run into anything that my Kimber Procarry and 3 mags of Staggered Ranger SXT and Corbon wont handle. As on guy in DC said, "Shirt he's got a cannon!!"


Mike

 

[dynatos]

keep in mind with a remote fuel cut (which is why OnStar can't use a fuel cut) if they got some speed, and you kill the engine, there are no more power breaks. If they are coasting at a large group of children you could be part guilty. OnStar has a system to lean out the mixture so the car runs horribly. Maybe a sequential setup to turn on the MAS and make the car barely run then kill the fuel? Just thought i'd throw the legal crap out there.

 

[jim97gst]

You can go to auto zone and hey have a wireless relay kit for any 12 volt device...around 29 bucks.

Have you used one of these before? What kind of range do you get? I would need pretty good range for it to be effective for the anti-carjacking "feature".

Just thought i'd throw the legal crap out there.

Good call. I would have never thought about that. Do you think there is a cheap/easy way to do the sequence besides just having 2 relays and 2 buttons? Do you think the car would slowly die as it ran out of fuel, or would it just die all at once? Anything else you could disable on the car that would not allow it to keep moving, but would not kill the brakes??

 

[leet]

A remote operated relay would probably do the trick.

The one person who got a little too close to my car quickly backed off when I pulled my knife on him and told him to get lost or lose some body parts. Yes, he was drugged up and I didn't feel like taking chances

Carry some protection.

 

[iowaboostin]

Kinda glad I live in Bumf**k, Iowa.. lots less to worry about

 

[Attack Eagle]

check with your local car stereo shop...

Dei has a time delay circuit that you could use to let the fuel pump run for a few seconds as you exit the vehicle, and then the car would die out. That + a relay and a pressure pad and you would be set.

 

[iboostdoyou]

This is a little different than what you guys are talking about, but when i let my friends take my car out for a spin I take the keys out and set the turbo timer for about 20 seconds... i dont have the safety hooked up to the ebrake so they can drive away and it shuts down after the timer gets down... pretty good trick when you convince them they broke your car :laugh: maybe the same concept could be worked with a remote to your tt for a delayed shut down

 

[Detail]

two words:

TRUNK MONKEY

 

[Tha_Gaud]

two words:

TRUNK MONKEY

 

[Gary 420A RS]

have a engine kill switch or another type of starting device installed inside the car somewhere out of the norm.. also instead of having the alarm conected to the batery under the hood have an additional alarm in the car as a secondary. running to both. have the fuse for the alarm somewhere other than under the stearing wheel.. and so on.... and so on.

 

[SurgeGT]

ok..this doesnt really answer the main question about delayed shut off...there are ways but i wanted to share what i did with one of my cars as far as theft deterants. completely out of sight, under the dash i hooked up 5 2-way toggle switches that i got from radio shack. they had to be flipped in a certain order for the ignition to get power. i think it was like up, up, down, up, down. remember this is under the dash, so you had to toggle em basically blind, only by touch. when i left the car i reached under and just flipped them randomly. anyway. just one of many ways you can try to deter theives. it may not stop them completely but slowing em down is what its about.

 

[baby huie]

ok not to seem like a ass but your first idea will work it isnt aginst the law because your brake system is set up so even if the car dies there is still enough power brakes for one stop that is how the brake system works. there is a residual pressure from the brake booster so that if the car accidently dies on the highway at 90 you have enough power in the brakes to stop.

 

[polarmoment]

another theft helper:

SPDT latching relay.
pushbutton switch.
reed switch.
blinking LED.
heavy duty relay.

wire it so the relay switches between 2 different circuits:

when the pushbutton switch is pushed, it turns on the blinking LED (turning off the other circuit)

the other circuit supplies ground to a heavy duty relay that controls your fuel pump, EFI, ignition, what have you. push the button, that system is disabled. light blinks showing disabled status.

to turn it back on, you have to wave a magnet past the reed switch. thing is, the reed switch is hidden behind a dash panel, completely out of sight. there is no switch to find. taking apart the pushbutton switch (which can be in plain sight) will do nothing. disconnecting the power to the relay/car will do nothing. the only way is if they manage to find the other switch and either rewire it or wave a magnet past it. they can have your keys and they still can't drive off with your car.

saw it on autospeed a few years back. works very well, costs about $20. if anyone wants a parts list and schematic, email me.

 

[IHeartTurbo]

Or just go to this link. http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=0059&P=1

 

[Defiant]

The scenario was a carjack of a running car, not prevention of getting one started.

OK, call me paranoid, but I've had someone attempt to carjack me.

Oh, the fantasies I have. Come on in, sucker.

I potentially could have gotten shot though.

You're going to need a bigger gun. Shooting me with that one is only going to make me more angry.

I know the idea of having a kill switch for the fuel pump has been used before, but I'm thinking of taking it to another level. I'm thinking of having ... a remote control switch ... on another ring, so if someone trys to carjack me, ... I can kill the fuel pump and they can only drive a little bit away.

I'd rather run it to the ignition, and stop them right there. Then we could discuss old times. I'd love to tell him about how much I miss my stolen Supra, and a few tape decks, and tools, and that stuck-up bi*** from high school and.....

Ah, but I have issues that probably should be addressed.

 

[AWDPetmitsu]

Clifford has their Blackjax system designed specifically for carjacking situations. It lets the carjacker drive off and when he brakes, it will shut down the car. It's been on the market for years and works as advertised. Viper used to have one too, but now that they've taken over Clifford, they don't have it anymore. Here's the text from Clifford on the Blackjax.

Blackjax
Carjacking Response & Vehicle Recovery System
BlackJax is Clifford’s unique anti-carjacking response system that puts personal safety first while using innovative advancements to ensure that users can recover the vehicle themselves. If an armed car thief approaches – whether at a stoplight or in a parking lot (where most carjackings occur) – immediately turn over the keys and remote and let Clifford technology take over.

BlackJax is fully automatic: no buttons or transmitters to push when a gun is involved. Just get away from the vehicle. BlackJax allows the criminal to drive away a safe distance. Then, a few seconds later, BlackJax blares the siren and flashes the lights to alert other drivers and witnesses. It then pulses down the ignition system to safely force the vehicle to slow to a complete stop. Siren blaring and lights flashing, unable to restart the engine, the carjacker has no choice but to abandon the vehicle.

BlackJax offers immediate vehicle self-recovery. With the vehicle immobilized a short distance away, the owner can recover it. No special tracking units, monthly fees or per-use charges. Just follow the sound of the BlackJax siren, then enter the PIN code. That’s it – it’s sabotage-proof. The only way to turn off BlackJax is with a secret user-selectable PIN code. If the carjacker tries guessing codes at random, BlackJax actively ignores his code entries for the next few minutes. Even if he were to find and remove the BlackJax control unit, he would still be unable to restart the engine. That’s Clifford technology you can count on.


www.clifford.com

 

[jim97gst]

The Clifford site is a little confusing to navigate. I wasn't able to find the part that you posted. I only found one of the models that includes the Blackjax feature.

If you don't activate anything, I don't understand how it knows you're being carjacked. What sequence of events triggers this feature?

 

[blackGSX2g]

I love this...we're actually having problems trying to make our cars run like crap on command...haha

How about having an injector cut out, or limit the voltage to the fuel pump at the flip of a switch.

If you have some kind of tuning in the car, just un-plug that or set it all crappy.

Too bad you could have an IC pipe blow off on command, that would deter anyone from driving away in your car :laugh:

 

[AWDPetmitsu]

The Clifford site is a little confusing to navigate. I wasn't able to find the part that you posted. I only found one of the models that includes the Blackjax feature.

If you don't activate anything, I don't understand how it knows you're being carjacked. What sequence of events triggers this feature?

It seems Clifford has recently reduced their model line-up. Only the Intelligard 750 has it as standard. The Blackjax is available under accessories, as an option.

The unit senses if a car door is opened, as in a carjacking, and activates. Once the carjacker brakes, it sets off a timer that shuts down the car within a few seconds. It waits for brake pedal application in order to avoid causing an accident. Once it starts counting down for shutdown, it gives the driver 20 seconds to enter your secret code via a pushbutton switch on or under the dash. The correct code will stop the countdown but if the carjacker tries to guess the code, it locks out subsequent attempts after 3 wrong tries. Once it shuts down, your car will not be able to restart until your secret code is entered.

Also, before you start the car, you need to enter your code. If you don't, it will start counting down and, again, you have 20 seconds to enter your code. So whether or not the engine is on, your car is still protected. In either case, if it does shutdown, your car will not restart unless you enter your secret code. And, if you open the car door when the engine is running, you need to enter your code to stop the countdown.

Remember that this is all triggered by the system sensing a door opened, so you have to make sure that both door switches are operating properly. We all know how reliable our DSM door switches are.

 

[LukePhillips]

I just keep a long wood stick with solid lead on the inside right underneth my seat. No ones stealing anything from me while Im in it. As far as security when Im not there, I got nothin

 

[GeneralChaos]

ill put my few cents in.


Buy yourself a REALLY big gun....like a desert eagle. blow his ass to hell on the first shot

second, you got tinted windows. If your in a shady area, keep them rolled up. youll look more like a "gangster" that way, and they wont know what to expect inside

Third, if hes stupid enough to steal a dsm, let him have it. Im sure itll break down a few blocks later

 

[Boosted90GST]

personally, i found the most effective security is shaved door handles.. i know i know it's not for everyone but people think more then twice when they can't find a door handle.. and a little more then half car jackers will not break a window

 

[diab0liK]

My favorite solution is the South African way.

Several years ago, in the height of the "issues" in South Africa, they were suffering from ATROCIOUSLY high carjacking rates.

So this company started custom installing ####ing FLAMETHROWERS under the doors, on either side of the vehicle.

I actually managed to find a link (I'm still wondering how I managed to figure out how to eat food w/o google)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/232777.stm

Good Times, and how much fun would setting that thing off in a crowded downtown be?

I suspect I would be shot by the police within a week of owning one

And for anyone interested, if you get your car shipped to Sough Africa, I think you can get one for about $600 INSTALLED

diab0liK