SBR 60-1/ With Mitsu Housing Questions

[BlackHawkAWD91]

Hey guys, couple question for you. I just picked up a sbr 60-1 for a good price. Not sure if it's what they sell today or not, but it has the 4inch S compressor side and the mitsu exhaust side. How do I tell if it has the 7cm or 8cm exh housing? Does any one know if slow boy uses the td06 or is it the td06H Turbine wheel in their 60-1 turbos?

I want this to a be a pure race gas 1/4 turbo, should I get the turbine wheel clipped because its kind of small in the mitsu housing with this large of a comp side. I want the most possible HP and 30 psi I HOPE under 5k.

I would like this turbo perform like a FP Red and make the same numbers.

Thanks guys.

Rob

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[TurboAnything]

That turbo looks to have a Garrett stage 3 turbine. that is a very good 1/4 mile turbo almost 600hp at high boost.

 

[BlackHawkAWD91]

That turbo looks to have a Garrett stage 3 turbine. that is a very good 1/4 mile turbo almost 600hp at high boost.

I don't think it's the Garrett Stage 3 turbine because I have a PTE 50trim sitting next to it and it has the stage 3 turbine and the blades look to be a little smaller then the PTE. This is what bothers me about how well this exhaust side will flow.

Does any one have information on the performance gains clipping adds?

 

[project_tsi]

Does any one have information on the performance gains clipping adds?

When an angle is machined on the turbine wheel exducer (outlet side), the wheel is said to be "clipped". Clipping causes a minor increase in the wheel's flow capability; however, it dramatically lowers the turbo efficiency. This reduction in efficiency causes the turbo to come up on boost at a later engine speed (ex. increased turbo lag). High performance applications should never use a clipped turbine wheel.

 

[BlackHawkAWD91]

High performance applications should never use a clipped turbine wheel.

If what your saying was true, FP reds would not be "High performance"

From FP site "The Red combines a modified TD06 compressor housing and 8cm2 turbine housing with a clipped TD06H turbine wheel"

If you look at dsmtimes.org, FP reds are every 5-6 turbos in the low 10s- low 11's... Running the same traps as fp3575s, 3065s, and gt35r's... Have a look dsmtimes.org

Those are facts, why do say this is not high performance application?

Any one else have any first hand experience?

 

[92awddsm]

If what your saying was true, FP reds would not be "High performance"

From FP site "The Red combines a modified TD06 compressor housing and 8cm2 turbine housing with a clipped TD06H turbine wheel"

If you look at dsmtimes.org, FP reds are every 5-6 turbos in the low 10s- low 11's... Running the same traps as fp3575s, 3065s, and gt35r's... Have a look dsmtimes.org

Those are facts, why do say this is not high performance application?

Any one else have any first hand experience?

I believe what Dan posted was more of a copy and paste from another turbo manufacturer.

As for the original question, that is some sort of garrett wheel. PTE never built any hybrid turbos with the td06 wheel(to the best of my knowledge). If they had, the fp green and fp red would not be so expensive and highly wanted.

To determine which turbine wheel it is, remove the turbine housing and measure the inducer and exducer of the wheel. Then check either garrett or pte to find what your measurments translate to.

 

[project_tsi]

I trust Garrett, leading manufacturer of high performance turbo chargers.

I'm not saying FP is wrong. I love FP's products, some of the best on the market, I just feel that large wheels shouldn't be clipped or shoved into small, non-efficient housings.

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/acronyms.html

 

[pneumo]

Mitsubishi turbine wheels are not like Garrett wheels. Mitsu turbines have shown power increases when clipped. Garrett turbine wheels have a more open design that does not benefit from clipping.

 

[IPT]

IT is a T3/T4 center section so it can't be a Mitsu turbine wheel.

Measure the exducer on the turbine wheel if it is a 2.54" most likely it is a P trim turbine wheel. Which works very well with the 60-1.

 

[BlackHawkAWD91]

Hey guys, got an update. I called slowboy, and the confirmed their sbr g60-1 use the stage 3 turbine wheel. The mitsu exhaust side looks so small, but on dsmtimes.org there are a few people running 7cm housing trapping 128-135mph and run mid to high tens. I look forward to what I can get out of it. For reference, I got 122 with a SCM50@ 27PSI, dsm link flowed 54/min.

 

[Street Surgeon]

If what your saying was true, FP reds would not be "High performance"

From FP site "The Red combines a modified TD06 compressor housing and 8cm2 turbine housing with a clipped TD06H turbine wheel"

If you look at dsmtimes.org, FP reds are every 5-6 turbos in the low 10s- low 11's... Running the same traps as fp3575s, 3065s, and gt35r's... Have a look dsmtimes.org

Those are facts, why do say this is not high performance application?

Any one else have any first hand experience?

Read FP's site... They're the first to admit that the "Red" is not an efficient turbo at all, but one that can REALLY pump out some numbers! All he is saying is that it lowers the turbo's efficiency, so it can still pump out big numbers, but it's gonna work alot harder to get em.

 

[CanadianTSi]

I got 122 with a SCM50@ 27PSI, dsm link flowed 54/min.

You run a MAF-T?

 

[BlackHawkAWD91]

You run a MAF-T?

Yep. I know it's not dead on by any means, but with nothing else changing, I look forward to new airflow numbers.

 

[CanadianTSi]

Yah you will deffinitly be able to tell a difference, although I think your airflow numbers are a little inflated. 44lbs/min took me to 121 mph traps on my 50 trim.