Opinion on my log after SAFC tuning

joeyzaza · Mar 16, 2009

Here is my log. I think I'm getting closer, can I go leaner on the SAFC?? The o2 voltage shows rich still I believe.

Before I get bashed, I'm saving for a wideband :thumb:

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architechnik · Mar 16, 2009

There's no telling where your AFR's are. With the timing so low, it would almost sound as though you have knock. Do you have any logs that include knock readings?

The problem is that you're showing a log with several maxed out readings, so the probability of a correct tune is very low.

joeyzaza · Mar 16, 2009

I have a 2g so I can't log knock. I'm going by o2 voltage and timing. I thought that most people tuning off of just loggers on 2gs, shoot for around mid .90s on o2. Am I wrong??

architechnik · Mar 16, 2009

I believe there are other ways to log knock, but not necessarily through the palm logger. The problem I see is that your readings are not around .9, they are just maxed out as they approach 1.0.
I would guess that the maximum reading your logger will pick up for the O2 sensor is 0.976, just like your TPS is showing 97.6%.

This log just shows you're running rich. How rich? Who knows, just that's less than 14.0 (or wherever the relative frequency range is). Can this cause a problem? Yes, at the very least it will burn up your cat.

joeyzaza · Mar 16, 2009

No I was getting readings at .99 earlier. I adjusted the SAFC since then, and slowly got it to this point. Its definatly not pegged, what should my timing look like?

joeyzaza · Mar 16, 2009

Here is the whole log.

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spyderturbo007 · Mar 17, 2009

What logger program are you using? Airflow on the 2g should be output in lbs/min and it looks like you are logging IPW? You shouldn't be able to do that with the normal logging programs.

Can you make another log, adding only airflow (lbs/min), timing, RPM, IDC (If you can) and front O2. Drop everything else so we can get the samples / second as high as possible.

joeyzaza · Mar 17, 2009

What logger program are you using?

Evo Scan

Can you make another log, adding only airflow (lbs/min), timing, RPM, IDC (If you can) and front O2. Drop everything else so we can get the samples / second as high as possible.

Will do.

CanadianTSi · Mar 17, 2009

First log looks perfect to me, could probably go slightly leaner if you wanted.

joeyzaza · Mar 17, 2009

Here is a new log. It didn't monitor air flow because I selected something different, but Evo Scan DOES log knock I've learned.

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spyderturbo007 · Mar 19, 2009

Looks good. Your IDC's are getting up there, so you might want to consider some larger injectors. But, you have a good timing curve and what looks like no knock. I see it shows 1 count the entire way through the pull, so I'm going to assume that's normal for the EVOScan program.

As Tyler said, I would lean things out. If you had larger injectors, you could up the boost. But if you do that, your IDC's would need to go up to compensate for the additional airflow, so going leaner is your only option.

joeyzaza · Mar 19, 2009

Your IDC's are getting up there, so you might want to consider some larger injectors

Ya I've been noticing that too. I think if I rewire the 190 I'll push some more fuel out, plus I have a small boost leak I need to fix. I'm not gonna lean it out anymore until I get a wideband o2, and egt gauge. I'm runnin 550s, I wouldn't think they would go that high, but I'm running 18 psi on my 14b.

Thanks for all the help everyone!!! :thumb:

When I get the gauges I'll tune it more, and post up another log. Then I can get my evo 16g, and save my pennies for dsm link.

jrohner · Mar 19, 2009

Could try leaning it out a little and see what happens with your knock and timing values. I never had my o2 voltage nearly that high when I was on gas (91).

I didn't notice you saying how much boost you are running, so what are you at?

jrohner · Mar 19, 2009

I guess I wouldn't worry too much about IDC, since it's not accurate with the stock ECU anyways. Some are seeing 120-130%, which is obviously messed up.

spyderturbo007 · Mar 20, 2009

I wouldn't play around when it comes to IDC's. Inadequate fuel delivery at WOT can be very dangerous.

joeyzaza · Mar 20, 2009

I didn't notice you saying how much boost you are running, so what are you at?

18psi on 93 octane, with a 14b. Waiting on wideband o2.

joeyzaza · Mar 20, 2009

Ohh I forgot to ask, what should I tune for as far as o2 voltage is concerned, I know I need a wideband, but if I'm way rich I'll tune it down some more.

bling5tatus · Mar 20, 2009

Your TPS is out of adjustment, you should be getting 100% when you floor your throttle.

joeyzaza · Mar 21, 2009

I think thats evo scan not reading right, my safc says 100% I plan on checking that down the road. Thanks

delta448 · Mar 21, 2009

Something to note, if you're logging with EvoScan in Mitsubishi mode on a DSM ecu, you will have to change the addresses for the data you are logging.
I don't know all the specifics, but I do know that the knock sensor data for one is incorrect in your log.
You need to double check what you're logging before going any further.

Have you seen Ceddy's new free datalogger, MHIScan?
Works on 97+ DSMs right now with 95-96 support coming later.

Why does this page look so F'ed up?

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joeyzaza said:

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Can you please tell me how you posted your evoscan log? I have been trying to figure it out so I can post mine.
X2 on this thread being jacked up size wise.

joeyzaza · Mar 22, 2009

I PMed you about how to post evo scan logs. :thumb:

joeyzaza · Mar 22, 2009

Have you seen Ceddy's new free datalogger, MHIScan?
Works on 97+ DSMs right now with 95-96 support coming later

Downloaded and installed. Works perfect! I will be doing some tuning tomorrow, I'll post another log then, thanks!

spyderturbo007 · Mar 23, 2009

97% TPS value is fine and the ECU will enter open loop at that value.

Don't trust the TPS value on the SAFC, as it's incorrect. The SAFC looks at the minimum and maximum voltage from the TPS sensor and assumes that the minimum voltage corresponds to a TPS value of 0% and the maximum voltage corresponds to a value of 100%. So, your TPS could be way out of whack and the SAFC will report it as 100%.

joeyzaza · Mar 24, 2009

Here is my newest log, I believe I am logging knock correctly now, I had to change some settings in EVO SCAN. I am logging airflow in HZ.

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