MAF help!

[2nd gen GSX]

I just bought a GMAF and the MAFT. Now is there anyway i can install these and it work without using a datalogger. Or anyway i can set it to close to stock settings so i can still drive it and not ruin anything?

 

[92awddsm]

Set the mas switch to stock mas, zero everything elae out and leave the rpm wire disconnected. That should keep you close to stock settings. By the way, is it version 2.02? If so, can you email me a copy of the instructions. I seemed to have lost mine several months ago and would like to keep a copy in my dsm file.

 

[Budget90GST]

You should have bought a datalogger first. With that said, set it for your injector size according to the chart and a couple of clicks richer on the idle and you should be fine. If running stock injectors, then set it for 450 cc and maybe a click richer on the idle t compensate for the free flowing nature of the GM MAF. I highly suggest you get a logger before purchasing anymore upgrades though. Good luck.

 

[eclipseGSTud]

http://www.fullthrottletech.com/articles.php?action=viewarticle&artid=2


Here's a link to online manual of the translator. It's for 2.00+ versions. I agree with the others that you need to get a logger ASAP. Fullthrottletech's forum tech support sucks, but it's nice that the manual is available online.

 

[2nd gen GSX]

So now that im looking to buy a datalogger. Should i buy a datalogger or just go all out and buy dsm link? What are the advantages to having dsm link over a regular datalogger?

 

[44pirate]

So now that im looking to buy a datalogger. Should i buy a datalogger or just go all out and buy dsm link? What are the advantages to having dsm link over a regular datalogger?

How can you be a member since 2002, and be asking these ?'s

 

[2nd gen GSX]

I Have only started to mod my eclipse in the past few months. Since 2002 i have been looking through the forum and trying to take in information. I know the Dsm link is a logger but also a tuning device. But is it worth spending the $600 and time to send my ecu to them and such. Or will a datalogger be fine till winter comes along and the car is sitting for 2 or 3 months anyway? I was asking for help not a smart ass remark. Thanks for all the ppl that have helped me so far.

 

[92awddsm]

All you really need is the logger at the moment. As far as a tuning device, you already have a maft so you can make small changes with that.

You really need to weigh your options here. Figure how much $ you are going to invest in a logger setup before you decide. Also, do you already have a laptop to run dsmlink? If you have a laptop already, just remember a logger setup will cost about 1/3 of the link. If I was going to spend that much, I would rather just buy dsm link. Stll have logging capabilities but so much more tuning options.

 

[Talesin]

Note that DSMLink is $600 USD, not CDN.

Yes, with the MAFT and a logger cable, you can get by. It's the equivalent of carving an ice sculpture with a felling axe.
DSMLink with the MAFT (the latter allowing you to get a good 'zero' value on your airflow, leading to more reliable tuning results) is taking that axe, and adding a full set of chisels, knives, rasps, files, and so on.

The MAFT and a logger will work. The MAFT and DSMLink will allow much more detail, letting you get your tuning spot-on.


And given their turnaround times on install service, I'd do it now, while you have a good bit of summer left to enjoy it with. Alternately, you could wait and see if they come out with a new revision... IIRC, direct GM MAS usage is one of the things they're trying to get working for the next version... as in, it'll auto-zero and use the MAS without the MAFT. Assuming a wiring harness hack or adapter plug is made.

So maybe waiting could be a good thing, and just sell off the MAFT to some guy with a SAFC, if they DO get the support working.

 

[2nd gen GSX]

Now it may seem like im asking alot of questions or just plain stupid questions, but im trying to learn from ppl that have used different ways or the best and most accurate ways. My question is where is the best place to tap the white wire to? And where is this wire located?

 

[92awddsm]

Just hook it up, plug and play at the moment. Learn how to tune it using just airflow at the moment. After you figure it out, hook the white wire to a good tach signal and then tune for rpm, not airflow. I think all new users should just plug and play to begin with(I still tune that way) And if you are curious, you dont have to have the rpm signal wire hooked up. Just set the maft up according to the instructions using airflow as the tuning method, not rpm.

 

[2nd gen GSX]

Thanks alot to everyone that has helped me. Anyone else with any input is welcomed to. Thanks to all again.

 

[Infinity03]

i would get a logger A.S.A.P

i am doing exactly what you are doing and tuning with the maft without a looger is like driving blind on the freeway. i hooked my maft up yesterday using only the BASE settings and i had to adjust the idle 2 clicks because it was idling low.


Laptop or palm datalogger cable = $15 - $25 on ebay
Actual laptop to handle logging = $145
Tunerstein logging software = Free

 

[2nd gen GSX]

Thanks alot. Has anyone or does anyone use the tunerstein logging software? If so how good is it? Will it do the job till i buy dsmlink in a few months?

 

[Budget90GST]

If you're buying the link then just tune it according to the chart until you have the link. Just don't drive it hard until you have the link. Better yet, put your old MAS back until you have the link...

 

[92awddsm]

i would get a logger A.S.A.P

i am doing exactly what you are doing and tuning with the maft without a looger is like driving blind on the freeway. i hooked my maft up yesterday using only the BASE settings and i had to adjust the idle 2 clicks because it was idling low.


Laptop or palm datalogger cable = $15 - $25 on ebay
Actual laptop to handle logging = $145
Tunerstein logging software = Free

You have a 1g so I suggest switching to mmcd, you will be so much happier with it. Also, go ahead and spend $25 on a palm m100 on ebay and logging will all of a sudden become easy. Just think, no laptop sliding around and with mmcd, logging will become effortless.

As far as tunerstien, I hated it but with you having a 2g, you might have better luck. Actually, thats your only choice for logging with the 2g unless you spend some $. I have seen pocketlogger for the2g and it is so much better than the tunerstein. But then again, more $.

 

[2nd gen GSX]

Thanks for everyones help. Im pretty sure tomorrow im ordering pocketlogger. And then when winter comes im goin to buy dsmlink. Does that sound like a good idea?

 

[tstkl]

just out of curiosity, i have a completely stock 1g and am about to put on a jrc fmic, dejon short route piping, and have the maft after the bov on the intercooler piping... can i just baseline everything? (0, off off off off, 0, 0, 0, 0) and go, i do have a datalogger, but if i have a stock fuel system can i start off by not tuning, right now i have it sitting in front of me with the base at 2 cuz the guide posted here (mine didnt come with instructions) says thats what stock injectors would be, 450cc right? what should i put this stuff at for stock settings with a rediculously lax intake system...(blow through intake pipe with huge 9inch air filter, dejon intakemanifold, im hoping for big gains from this stuff)

 

[eclipseGSTud]

tstkl, what version of the maft are you using? The link to the instructions I posted up earlier is for 2.00+ versions of the translator. Did you record any data with your datalogger (i.e., STFT, LTFT, RPM, Ignition timing)? If you did, then what are the results? Are you using pocketlogger? Set the base setting to what the manual says it's suppose to be at to start out and use the logger to view the stats and then fine tune it.