Help With Turbos and Sizes

[Georg51]

So much fun in this thread and I missed most of it

Sleeved 4G63 is about as retarded as Jessica Simpson with down syndrome, it's a fawking iron block.....

If you want to make 600hp, go with an FP30 from www.forcedperformance.com

They make manifolds as well and they hold up very well. If you want to make that kind of power you will be needing better internals, at least rods (I suggest Eagle) and pistons (I suggest Wiseco).

 

[adidalax]

If you want to make that kind of power you will be needing better internals, at least rods (I suggest Eagle) and pistons (I suggest Wiseco).

Didnt you look at his profile dude?? Hes got Eagle rods and Ross pistons....

 

[Georg51]

Didnt you look at his profile dude?? Hes got Eagle rods and Ross pistons....

Wiseco > Ross

I didn't bother looking, too busy

 

[adidalax]

Wiseco > Ross

I didn't bother looking, too busy

Gotcha....I figured Wiseco was better, but I dont know a WHOLE lot about internals (ie brand names, etc) so....yeah, but hey, at least he's got more than I can say I have at the moment. My car's been in my garage on jackstands for the past 4 months bc of a busted tranny anyway....

 

[GST-97]

Wow, it took like 20 posts before the guy could get some help. i'm guessing the rest of you were just born DSM freaks!

But since you guys are all here now, how about talking 60-1 trim turbos, I'm looking at the one from AGP Turbos, the whole kit, because I'm sick of trying to match parts. I have a 1g motor in a 2G car, and we've done some other things that aren't in the fancy instructions on the 'net. So guessing what determines which part to buy is a headache. I'm liking the kit idea more and more. Anyon ehave any experience with AGP? or the 60-1 trim?

Hopefully some of your answers can help this guy out in his quest.

My two cents, dont go ball bearing, more hype than they're worth. I have a BB turbo and its not that great!

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

i've seen cars make mid 500 on 60-1's but they give up in the top end rather quickly....if you REALLY wanna go hard core over 600whp then you're gonna have to just plain go to garrett and look at the GT42 or that one from forcedperformance that is like 96lb/min....but you're gonna need more than a plain 2.0 to even use it. the one guy was making 650whp with a gt42 but it was spooling at 5k and he was shifting at 7...not worth it if you ask me. if you're looking for "sane" power from 400-500crank then the FP30xx serious would work but you're not gonna make that hyour first time out if you're asking questions and arguing the way you are. maybe build yourself a 14b/16g car for a year and see what you break (cuz you will) instead of jumping into "i want 700 crank hp but some guy had to tell me what my engine needed" kinda thing.

 

[Georg51]

My two cents, dont go ball bearing, more hype than they're worth. I have a BB turbo and its not that great!

Apparently most of the GT35R and GT45R people would disagree with you, as their turbo's are pushing them well into single digit ET's. Not to mention the proven performance of Forced Performance ball bearing turbos (John Shepherd anyone?)

So, I might ask, which BB turbo are you using that doesn't impress you?


Aside from that, 60-1 turbos take too long to spool IMHO, as I rode in my friends old 11 second AWD 2G and he even had 262's, He had to get the cams just so he could pull into the higher rpms so he wouldn't fall out of boost between shifts. The 60-1 is VERY effecient however and works well with a mild fuel and tune setup, a great street turbo but not the best AWD drag turbo.

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

my buddies 60-1 spools at 3800, my 50 trim spooled at 3200

 

[adidalax]

ALSO ALSO ALSO!!!!!

I dont know if you forgot to add these on yer profile if you have them, BUT if you dont have them, REMEMBER -- you are gonna need the fuel upgrades (Fuel pump AND injectors, not just a damn fuel rail and FPR) AND you will need the upgraded drivetrain to handle the power. Blown trannies are not fun (I would know, Ive broken mine TWICE NOW ) and neither are blown x-fer cases! So keep that in mind....it can cost you more than you think.

Both Shephard Racing and TRE are reputable race tranny rebuilders. And you may want to look into upgrading driveshaft too (correct me if Im wrong guys, Ive been known to be before......)

And as far as fuel goes....what do you guys think?? Walbro 255 and a set of (at least) 750cc injectors?????

 

[Georg51]

And as far as fuel goes....what do you guys think?? Walbro 255 and a set of (at least) 750cc injectors?????

My buddy has a 600hp EVO8 with a GT45R and he's using the 255 pump with 850cc injectors, so if this guy wants 700hp he's probably gonna need the 850cc.

Anything bigger than that you may need a race pump and/or bigger fuel rail.

 

[adidalax]

My buddy has a 600hp EVO8 with a GT45R and he's using the 255 pump with 850cc injectors, so if this guy wants 700hp he's probably gonna need the 850cc.

Gotcha....

Anything bigger than that you may need a race pump and/or bigger fuel rail.

This kid evidentally has upgraded fuel rail. thats why i said that about him needing more than just a fuel rail and fpr.

btw - from what i hear, dont the stock dsm fuel rails flow pretty damn well??

 

[psychlow]

btw - from what i hear, dont the stock dsm fuel rails flow pretty damn well??

The rail flows just fine, IIRC it's about or over 3/8'' in diameter. The stock fuel lines and banjo bolt on the filter flow like shit.

 

[Georg51]

btw - from what i hear, dont the stock dsm fuel rails flow pretty damn well??

Many things clutter the fuel delivery system in DSM's, mainly the fitting at the fuel rail, which only has a diameter of 5.5mm and is inneffecient past 70(ish)psi fuel pressure, which is usualy pushed by the stock system when running roughly 20psi of boost, possibly more, the numbers are iffy but I think you get the point.

Street tune = stock fuel rail

Drag setup = needed upgrade

 

[psychlow]

Street tune = stock fuel rail

Drag setup = needed upgrade

I agree with this as a general rule, but I did want to mention that it has been proven that you can get much more out of a stock fuel system or a 190LPH if you upgrade the lines and fittings to the stock rail. Since I upgraded my lines to 3/8'' and -6AN to the rail with a 255LPH (and AFPR at 37PSI), I've actually had to lean out my SAFC on a stock ECU to keep my fuel trims from being pegged rich.

If you want or need to get more out out a smaller pump, don't want to go with a 255LPH, or just want your fuel pump to be more efficient and not have to work as hard for the same results, upgraded lines are great on a street car, too.

 

[Georg51]

If you want or need to get more out out a smaller pump, don't want to go with a 255LPH, or just want your fuel pump to be more efficient and not have to work as hard for the same results, upgraded lines are great on a street car, too.

100% agreed, as been proven with a pump rewire and upgraded lines, great numbers can be produced with this and a boost controller on stock turbos, even without tune.

However, back on the thread discussion which is about a major setup, I would look at all the other 500-700hp DSM's and see what kind of turbos/fuel setups they are running.

I know Scot Wegman achieved 550+hp with 750cc injectors, AFPR and upgraded rail with a 255 pump and a 20g turbo.

 

[BOOSTIN21]

there are so many possibilities as far as turbos go for DSM's out there its great. but not to dog u but the search button is one of the handiest tools here on this site. As far as the sleeves go :thumbdown these blocks are
fu(king strong as hell i mean SHEP has an estimated 1000hp at the crank with a stock block that is more than u will ever have. if u want a hybrid turbo it can go with a mitsu manifold and thats convenient that will my setup and i plan on having somewhere between 325-375 whp good luck with the research and let us know what setup u go with.

P.S. get a new shop

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

there are so many possibilities as far as turbos go for DSM's out there its great. but not to dog u but the search button is one of the handiest tools here on this site. As far as the sleeves go :thumbdown these blocks are
fu(king strong as hell i mean SHEP has an estimated 1000hp at the crank with a stock block that is more than u will ever have. if u want a hybrid turbo it can go with a mitsu manifold and thats convenient that will my setup and i plan on having somewhere between 325-375 whp good luck with the research and let us know what setup u go with.

P.S. get a new shop

i don't consider a cryo-treatment stock...but yeah they're strong

 

[98spyderboost]

I agree with 10sec. This turbo is one of the masters right now Here. U want big power, here it is.

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/...&Product_Code=GT42-2&Category_Code=UNIV-Turbo

 

[psychlow]

http://linux.forcedperformance.net/...&Product_Code=GT42-2&Category_Code=UNIV-Turbo

^^^^ :laugh:

Yeah, have fun spooling that on a 2.0.

 

[BluemeanieTSi]

big shot of nos

 

[silkcity100]

thats all i have right now to get rid off need everything else to run the car email me at
[email protected] if your interested,my paypal is the same name to send payment too

 

[98spyderboost]

big shot of nos

I forget, is this a street car??? I still say the HX-40 would rock. If I wanted to make as much power as I could and still be able to keep it on the street. And thats stretchin it...