Help! Do I have crankwalk??

[stevecbr929]

95 2g Talon TSi 186,xxx miles & all stock except non-recirculating bov, & injen intake.

All started about 1 month ago - making the 1-2 shift & the engine just stopped - lights on, no engine. Towed back home, found balance belt in pieces - took out crank sensor & sensor blade of course. Did a compressioin check after it wouldn't start after replacing belt. Bent valves.

So, new head, carefully installed w/forum (thank you), & dsm shop manuel as guide. Did compression check once all was complete & all 4 have decent compression.

This is where I have no idea what's up. I tried to start & when it did, it shook REALLY bad, make a "squeeky" noise (vacuum?) sounded like it was in the throttle body area(?). When trying to start (I've since stopped trying), the starter will turn 1 or 2 times, then sound like it's hitting a big resistance and stops.

HELP!! Totally stuck & screwed without my car - thanks....

 

[siemens03]

sounds like its out of time.

 

[yepes281]

Why is it always crankwalk?

Hey guys passenger side corner light flickers off and on ALOT, im thinking i have crankwalk what do yall think

 

[SpawnedX]

Definitely crankwalk!

 

[95talongirl]

... yeah it always seems "crankwalk." If it truly was, i wouldn't think the engine would run? Well, I guess it depends on how bad it is.

But I'm with the others on this.. sounds like a timing issue or vac leak of some sort. "shaking" is usually indicitive of a misfire, as well. Sure you got spark on all cylinders? Maybe a bad coil? bad connection somewhere? dead injector?

 

[stevecbr929]

The only reason I don't think it's bad coilpack or injector is the fact it was running great up until the belt broke & then the nightmare began.

Tomorrow ill check spark on each plug though - i know i have spark, but i haven't checked each plug so will do for sure. Then, im gonna flip that damn plate around (crank sensor blade). It sounds like that could make my car run the way it is.

I don't know where that sound is coming from though - i triple checked all my connections today - all looked good & no vacuum line unaccounted for. I was careful to mark all of vac lines when i took apart so i wouldn't have any issues but ill bring the manuel out tomorrow and check again.

Ill be back on tomorrow to update - thanks again for all of your advice

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Definitely crankwalk!

It's kinda like the thread where the guy said his engine froze up after he ran it without oil for several miles and someone said "You need to check for crankwalk, it could be why your engine is locked up"

...Seriously?

 

[stevecbr929]

Really? Wow. I thought i was a bit more detailed than "i don't have any oil" - i thought this was the noob forum. Thanks for your thought though.

If i flip the crank blade sensor around, the timing is going to change quite a bit. Enough to damage valves probably - right? Im going to do a compression check again now just to verify i've got some before i turn anything around.

If i have decent compression now, its safe to say the valves are opening & closing & im safer to not turn the plate around - yes?

 

[96eclipzGsT]

Really? Wow. I thought i was a bit more detailed than "i don't have any oil" - i thought this was the noob forum. Thanks for your thought though.

If i flip the crank blade sensor around, the timing is going to change quite a bit. Enough to damage valves probably - right? Im going to do a compression check again now just to verify i've got some before i turn anything around.

If i have decent compression now, its safe to say the valves are opening & closing & im safer to not turn the plate around - yes?

You are not moving the belt any. There is no possible way to bend the valves by just flipping it around.

 

[saechao04]

Yes it is the noob forum. If I recall right, a few months ago Ludachris posted a sticky saying:

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[stevecbr929]

Thanks, but if i thought the responses (besides your last) weren't helpful, i wouldn't be asking the questions - right? They might not be helpful to you, but remember - im the noob who started this thread because I don't know - right?

96eclipzGsT- my question about flipping the plate - the notch that you line up to do your timing will be about 1/4 turn off if i don't move the crank and just flip the plate over. I pulled everything off today to check out the plate & my timing again. All the marks lined up - crank, cams, oil pump. Did a compression check again to see that i didn't screw anything up & they all looked good. Check for spark on each plug while doing comp. check & all was good except cyl. 4. Bad plug wire im thinking but like i said before, it was running fine 1 month ago before the belt broke.

Im not understanding how i won't cause damage if i flip the plate over

 

[iminadaze]

Im not understanding how i won't cause damage if i flip the plate over

Flipping the plate over does not change the position of the crank in relation to the cams, only the belt does that....Look at it!


Spark timing will change, but that is the reason for the flip in the first place...

 

[96eclipzGsT]

Flipping the plate over does not change the position of the crank in relation to the cams, only the belt does that....Look at it!


Spark timing will change, but that is the reason for the flip in the first place...

This.

Flip the plate around and then make sure all your timing marks line back up.

 

[stevecbr929]

Is that a pic from a 6 bolt? Mine doesn't look like that. The notch for the timing is on the other side at about 10 o'clock. If I flip my plate over, the timing marks will not line up. Like i said, i checked the timing yesterday for the third time just to be sure.

I really want this to work so i can just get her going but it seems like if i flip the plate and its a 1/4 turn off where i have it now (with compression), i will bend/break something. Don't you think? I have a 95 but its a 7 bolt - looks different than the pic you're showing (thank you for the pic).

 

[96eclipzGsT]

Is that a pic from a 6 bolt? Mine doesn't look like that. The notch for the timing is on the other side at about 10 o'clock. If I flip my plate over, the timing marks will not line up. Like i said, i checked the timing yesterday for the third time just to be sure.

I really want this to work so i can just get her going but it seems like if i flip the plate and its a 1/4 turn off where i have it now (with compression), i will bend/break something. Don't you think? I have a 95 but its a 7 bolt - looks different than the pic you're showing (thank you for the pic).

Mine is a 7 bolt too. You can flip it over and set the marks back up right. If you are that scared of bending the valves put a wrench on the front and turn the motor over a few times by hand before trying to crank it.

 

[stevecbr929]

ok - im going to do it right now. Should i just flip the plate, clamp belt on cams so it doesn't the belt doesn't move or should i flip it & do my timing all over again?

 

[96eclipzGsT]

ok - im going to do it right now. Should i just flip the plate, clamp belt on cams so it doesn't the belt doesn't move or should i flip it & do my timing all over again?

You are going to loose all your tension when you pull the belt off. I would flip the plate then follow the timing belt instructions again making sure you set the tensioner right.

 

[stevecbr929]

cool - ok - thanks so much. ill be back soon as i get her done...

damn. ok - i flipped the plate, redid my timing.

she wanted to start - after 4 attempts, my battery needs a charge. she sounds a bit better than she did last time i tried to start it, but it would only turn over 1-2 times before my batterey went dead.

it is still doing that thing when i do try and start it thought - starter will turn serveral times normally, then it almost sounds like compression stops it in its tracks or some resistance forces it to stop turning.

what you guys think?? im going fricken nuts out here....

 

[stevecbr929]

it was a cracked cam angle sensor!! thank you to all who helped!!