Harmonic Damper with aftermarket pulleys???

[J-Syght]

Okay my car hit 64,000 miles and of course the Harmonic Damper came apart already. My questions are can I use a new OEM Harmonic Damper with Unorthodox Racing ALT, Water pump, Power Steering pulleys and still get some gain in Hp, or will it be pointless? Also has anyone every used Jackson Auto Machine: Fluidamper? Thank you

 

[GstRacer]

ya i'm very interested in the Fluidamper whats the deal with it

 

[J-Syght]

I really don't know much about it. I just know it has a damper. And it's in the parts catalog above http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=3_134_85&products_id=1294

 

[logic]

Another damper worth looking at: http://www.atiperformanceproducts.com/products/dampers/charts/dam-mitsubishi.htm]ATI

 

[larsrya8]

ya i'm very interested in the Fluidamper whats the deal with it

The "deal" is that it does the same (if not a better job) of dampening the vibrations without the stock pulley's problem of seperating.

 

[SRiz]

I keep hearing confliction opinions, is it really going to be 200 and up... does anyone know the price of stock replacement also??? mine is going and Im probably just going to get stock replacemetn does anyone know how much those go for?

 

[larsrya8]

Buschur Racing sells the stock pulley for $100, but I'm sure you can find them for less.

 

[J-Syght]

http://www.atiperformanceproducts.com/products/dampers/charts/dam-mitsubishi.htm Looks like a good product would be nice if they would show the price.

 

[MILITISINVICTUS]

http://www.atiperformanceproducts.com/products/dampers/charts/dam-mitsubishi.htm Looks like a good product would be nice if they would show the price.

Ati quoted a price of $470.28 for P/N 918251, as of 9 June 2006.

 

[4SFED4]

The Fluidampr is physically heavier than the stock dampner, but should reduce rotational weight than the stocker.
There is a metal ring inside the unit that is suspended in a viscous fluid, so the only part physically bolted to the crank forced to accelerate with it is the aluminum part of the pulley.
It is the same diameter as the stocker, so there is no underdrive benefit(not that I think that does a whole lot anyways). I don't understand the whole theroy behind it, but my machinist gave me the details and highly recommendeds them.

I have not seen or used an ATI, but it is almost $200 more than the Fluidampr. I bought my unit in January directly from Fluidampr for $300 shipped before they were officially released.

 

[underradar92]

The other bonus with fluidamper is that it also damps at (theoretically) all rpms, whereas ATI & stock are tuned for a certain rpm & are less effective outside that realm.

 

[AL92]

Stock balancers are garabage and if had a choice would never run them in my car again!

I have had two go now at random miles and they could have caused big problems.You can have wrong timing for one and they ground my front cover on my 92 talon.

I bought the new fluidampr for my new 2.4 I took out my balance shafts on my 2.4 they are evil ,evil things too and I installed energy suspension rollstop inserts but left stock side mounts.
I did not spend a cent on balancing anything in my engine.I have hear the aftermarket stuff like my wisecos and crower rods is close anyway .I didn't balance crank just polished it.I didn't balance flywheel ,clutch zip nada!

I have no vibrations at all.Car is very very smooth.As smooth as balance shafts and no worry about balance shaft breaking or balance bearings spinning and falling apart and get the extra power from the shaft delete and mabye quicker revving too.

But on the subject again the fluidamr rules..its cheap enough too compared to what a bad oem one can do.And for you oem is god guys.I had a brand new mits therm sticking closed and could have almost lost my new 2.4 to it. I did install another oem therm that is working but dont think everything oem is great . Some is some isn't.Oem balancers are not one of the good things.

 

[underradar92]

Also, an oem damper is not NHRA legal, on cars 10.99 seconds or faster.

 

[Boiler2]

To maybe shed some light on your other question, I do not think it is worth it to buy and install the rest of the pulleys (alt, p/s, water). But if you already have them, go ahead and install.

I had installed the full set of Unorthodox Racing pulleys but changed my crank pulley back to the stock one. So now I have the OEM crank pulley and Unorthodox Racing pulleys on the rest. I cannot say I really have a noticeable difference in power or smoothness. The gains (if any) are small enough to be lost in the "noise" of everything else. They look nice though.