GST vs VW's ?

[skier_du]

174 whp is not bad considering its awd. Those R34's are pretty nice. I wouldn't mind one of those! supped up VR6 and AWD and host of other goodies. A little on the expensive side I think, however. Any word on how those perform?

 

[fireredGST]

Its not bad , but considering it has 240HP to the crank its losing a huge amount of drivetrain loss. Not worth the 30K to me, for that you can have a much faster EVO or STI.

 

[skier_du]

My sentiments exactly. Evo or STi
Actually, you could get one off of Ebay or something for less than 30 and use the additional $5k to make on sick ride. or this place called Evolution imports gets JDM Evo's for a reasonable price, including used ones for under 30k.

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by skier_du
My sentiments exactly. Evo or STi
Actually, you could get one off of Ebay or something for less than 30 and use the additional $5k to make on sick ride. or this place called Evolution imports gets JDM Evo's for a reasonable price, including used ones for under 30k.

I would love to import a EVO 5

 

[boostinvr6]

Jesus, you all are being really biased. I own a '98 GTI VR6(nowhere near stock) and ran a 14.8 with a custom exhaust and crappy tires. You can't compare the turbo car to a NA car. I will agree that that VW's are more expensive to modify, but don't bash on Volkswagens unless you have driven one. fireredGST I would be glad to race you, just to show you how a VR6Turbo runs.

About the R32 dyno, that was on a dyno that was not totally right. Guys on vortex are dynoing at 205whp and around 212ft lbs tq. They are also running 13.7's stock in the quarter, which isn't to shabby. Would I pay $30 thousand for one? No, I would rather buy an SRT-4.

 

[fireredGST]

Your in Kentucky, I live in New Jersey. It's not possible. You have a turbo kit, I am talking stock vs stock. You ran a 14.8 (have a timeslip) ? Not trying to be a ass, just intrested in seeing that time.

GST's have been driven to 14.7 *BONE STOCK*. Still faster than you and you had to shell out some bucks for that cat-back.

I have driven multiple VW's, my dad used to own an 89 GTI that he got running 14.2, I respect them but the fact is that any STOCK VR6 or 1.8T are just not as fast as a STOCK DSM.

But then again who leaves there car stock?

 

[boostinvr6]

Originally posted by fireredGST
Your in Kentucky, I live in New Jersey. It's not possible. You have a turbo kit, I am talking stock vs stock. You ran a 14.8 (have a timeslip) ? Not trying to be a ass, just intrested in seeing that time.

GST's have been driven to 14.7 *BONE STOCK*. Still faster than you and you had to shell out some bucks for that cat-back.

I have driven multiple VW's, my dad used to own an 89 GTI that he got running 14.2, I respect them but the fact is that any STOCK VR6 or 1.8T are just not as fast as a STOCK DSM.

But then again who leaves there car stock?

Its very possible, I am from NJ and will be up there in July, so I will gladly meet up with you. I understand the stock vs. stock, but you can't compare a NA VR6 to a turbo car, if you can compare that, then I can compare a Turbo VR6 to a Turbo DSM. Yeah, I shelled out a whopping 60 bucks for the exhaust piping.

 

[fireredGST]

By July I should be running 300WHP, so we can run it, no problem. I will gladly show you just how fast a FWD DSM is on the highway.

Did you register just to challenge me to a race? Thats preety pathetic.

Like I said this topic was dead for a while, leave it at that, just leave me a private message.

 

[AwdMikey]

Wow!!! This is by far one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read. How old are you guys? Who cares how fast your car is stock. When you can run an lt1 you then maybe have the right to talk as much shit as everyone here has been talking.

 

[boostinvr6]

Originally posted by AwdMikey
Wow!!! This is by far one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read. How old are you guys? Who cares how fast your car is stock. When you can run an lt1 you then maybe have the right to talk as much shit as everyone here has been talking.

I guess I can talk shit then.

fireredGST, do you know how to read? I registered in June 2003. Oh you should have 300whp, but you don't. I put down 412whp and 422 ftlbs tq. on 21 psi the last time I dynoed, so whenever you want some. I just think you talk to much shit, for what reason?

 

[fireredGST]

I am 21, I have all my setup sitting in boxes at home, my GST will be in M&B Racing in a week to have everything installed.

I can honestly give a shit less when you registered, get off a DSM board if you can't handle shit being talked about your precious grocery getter.

I might not have everything installed in my car, But I can just as quick grab my cousins 900HP Supra and blow your doors off in 5th gear, eating a sandwich, and not even flooring it. If you want to go modified againist modified....

I am talking STOCK vs STOCK moron, not modified againist STOCK.

:laugh:

I know your in Kentucky and everything, but you really need to get out some more.

Isn't this your Turbo VR6 getting blown away by a GSX ?

RACE

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Originally posted by boostinvr6
Jesus, you all are being really biased. I own a '98 GTI VR6(nowhere near stock) and ran a 14.8 with a custom exhaust and crappy tires. You can't compare the turbo car to a NA car. I will agree that that VW's are more expensive to modify, but don't bash on Volkswagens unless you have driven one. fireredGST I would be glad to race you, just to show you how a VR6Turbo runs.

About the R32 dyno, that was on a dyno that was not totally right. Guys on vortex are dynoing at 205whp and around 212ft lbs tq. They are also running 13.7's stock in the quarter, which isn't to shabby. Would I pay $30 thousand for one? No, I would rather buy an SRT-4.

This is pretty pathetic that your jumping on a topic that is dead in the water. To me you are being an idiot. Your talking about us bragging about our DSM's..look how bragfull you are about your ugly POS grocery getter. WHY DONT YOU COME DOWN HERE IN VA TO RACE ME...ILL HAND YOU YOUR ASS ONCE I HIT 4TH GEAR. Your car is slow as shit compared to a stock GST dude..ive murdered so many Volxwagons and they are not anywhere as near as good as the GSR integras. The "VR6" is nowhere as powerful as the "Vtech". Ive seen so many GSR's that are stock blow the hell out of stock GTI's or VR6's. Like i said, come down here in VA so i can shut that mouth of yours. Volkswagons are cars that can be modified for horsepower gains but if you want to talk STOCK VS STOCK...you are smoking a bag of shit because i would murder the hell out of your little grocery getter...Everyday that goes by and i see a Stock GTI or a GLX VR6, or even a Golf VR6 that is stock...i give them a thumbs down and feel sorry for them when they try to race me in there inferrior POS..i just blow there doors off and all they can do is watch my tailights go further and further and out of there site.

BRING IT ON FOOL..im always at 28 in Manassas at bruger king..you said your not stock so You can say hello to my t-4 turbo that will be on in a few days. Ofcourse, ill have other goodies on too to go with the t-4.......LOOK for a nice RED GST

 

[97ClipseDSM]

And Oh, post your timeslip tough guy, you want to brag so much, even Honda civics can run good quartermile times with modifications "just like you". But were talking about Stock VS Stock and your car is slow dude. Read the Topic first before posting stupid ass shit here...your sounding like "oooooo i can beat your mommys Minivan with my hooked up corolla". WERE talking stock vs Stock..should i repeat it again.

 

[RU2SLOW?]

I'm sorry but this is necessary:

REALITY CHECK...
1. VWs and DSMs are completely different cars with completely different characteristics.
2. BOTH cars can be modded anywhere from quick to VERY fast depending on the owner's budget and their goals...not everyone wants a 450 whp monster, and most of us can't afford it.
3. Talking crazy shit about domestic cars just makes no sense since alot of the foundation for what we do to our "imports" today wouldn't be possible without the need for more hp out of the "piece of shit" domestics of the past. You don't have to like domestics or the people who drive them, just don't throw stereotypical comments around like they're truth.
4. The chance of someone driving any more than 20 miles away from their hometown to race someone they've never even seen just to settle an internet beef gone way outta hand is slim to none and just doesn't make sense to most people.
5. If you wanna really show the pride you have in your DSM, mod your car, bring it to the track, and be humble about it (havin a big head is just gonna slow down your ETs)- Sean Glazer, Jeff Hill, Dan Cokic, and John Shepard didn't gain their respect from challenging people to race in an opinionated thread on the net.
6. To each his own- there are people on this board with 400 whp 4-dr. "grocery getters" VR4s that will leave most of our cars in a pile of 4 wheels' smoke before we even launch. Just cuz you don't think a car is sexy isn't gonna change the next person's mind about what they think of it.
7. No matter how fast you THINK your car is there's ALWAYS someone faster...and that applies to all years, makes, and models.

My car is kinda quick, but in the big scheme it's slow as hell. I'm not gonna even try to say my car is quicker than yours hundreds of miles away cuz it probably isn't. So just leave it alone guys- hopefully a moderator will spare us and lock this thread cuz it's really goin nowhere. If someone says they beat a Modena by 3 bus-lengths in a Ford Fiesta who cares??? Just shake their hand and tell em good for you.

 

[boostinvr6]

Originally posted by fireredGST
I am 21, I have all my setup sitting in boxes at home, my GST will be in M&B Racing in a week to have everything installed.

I can honestly give a shit less when you registered, get off a DSM board if you can't handle shit being talked about your precious grocery getter.

I might not have everything installed in my car, But I can just as quick grab my cousins 900HP Supra and blow your doors off in 5th gear, eating a sandwich, and not even flooring it. If you want to go modified againist modified....

I am talking STOCK vs STOCK moron, not modified againist STOCK.

:laugh:

I know your in Kentucky and everything, but you really need to get out some more.

Isn't this your Turbo VR6 getting blown away by a GSX ?

RACE

Nope not my car, but I can post the video of the VR6 turbo rolling up a 1G and a 2G eclipse if you want. Quit bench racing and racing your friends car, I can do the same thing and get my friends mustang that runs 8.9 in the quarter, but do you see me doing that? Im sorry that you all think DSMs are god of all engines, and are one track minded. Im not saying my car is the fastest thing around, I respect DSMs because of what they are capable of, thats why I plan on buying one in the next couple weeks.

97ClipseDSM, Im not even going to waste my time with you, with comments like " Your grocery getter, your car is slow dude" you obviously have a one track mind on this topic, and would be pointless talking to you. Well I think your car is slow dude.

 

[danner]

i am a tech at a vw dealership and i have personally drove an r32. i must say i was pretty impressed with it's performance. the only thing that scared me was when i launched the car it made a loud thump from the rear end . the car only had about ten miles on it at the time which doesn't surprise me because i personally think all vw's are pieces of sh*t. vw's are expensive to fix and almost impossible to work on with out the proper equipment. if i wanted to i could go buy a new r32 where i work and pay about $24k but i would rather spend that money modding my talon because vw's are junk, trust me i see them everyday.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Originally posted by danner
i am a tech at a vw dealership and i have personally drove an r32. i must say i was pretty impressed with it's performance. the only thing that scared me was when i launched the car it made a loud thump from the rear end . the car only had about ten miles on it at the time which doesn't surprise me because i personally think all vw's are pieces of sh*t. vw's are expensive to fix and almost impossible to work on with out the proper equipment. if i wanted to i could go buy a new r32 where i work and pay about $24k but i would rather spend that money modding my talon because vw's are junk, trust me i see them everyday.

Thankyou, you proved my point to all these people. And as far as boostinVR6 goes, i wasnt trying to be an asshole but the last few days the most people that i have had gotten in trouble were volkswagon owners, and to me, vw owners are so fricken cocky that they think there car is the sh!t. Im not saying all of them are like that but most are, i was driving back from work and i had accidentally dropped my cigarette lighter in my car somewhere underneath my seat but i drive a 5 speed so i couldnt reach under and get it because the cig lighter was lit..i dk how..but maybe i somehow accidentally tapped it while i was turning on my cd player, i quickly rolled over in to a parking lot and all i saw was a whole bunch of VW owners lined up smoking weed and talking to each other, one of them said, "Yo u wanna run me so i can smoke that car"..it ticked the hell out of me so i was like lets go..i ended up racing every single one of them and to my surprise they were pretty much stock except for an exhaust and i just murdered, plain murdered all of them and shut them up. Later on they wouldnt even look at me cuz they were so embarassed and one of them goes "i heard that nitrous being used in your car"...wut an idiot, i was like "buddy you just lost to a stock GST, and by the way, your cars are trash, find a better car and than call me out". But anyways, im happy to hear your looking for a DSM. I would give a Volkswagon a shot if it wasnt for there god dang Manintanence issues..cause there POS. But yes, i have droven every single volkswagon out there..maybe if i hadnt driven a GST i would say there very quick, but there not dude, sorry, GST's are quicker Stock man that isnt even a joke. My oppinion is i would chose a DSM or a Integra GSR over an VW anyday. And about the grocery getter thing, thats just a statement, even my cousin who owns a 1997 GLX Vr6 gets called that all the time and all of his friends even ask him everyday "where is your box on wheels". But ill give it to u, ive seen some very quick modded (keyword:modded)VR6's out there that are no joke, but than again, ive seen insanely quick GSX's and GST's that completely murder VW's down in here in VA.

 

[senseiturtle]

BULLSHIT , anybody can state what they want. Show me a dyno of a bone stock VW.

Yeah, so I'm not a very nice guy for going back to old arguments, but this particular one left a rather sore taste in my mouth, and I feel a number of things need to be cleared up.

1- Yes, a stock GST is faster than a stock 1.8T or VR6. Not by that much.

2- Here ya go, an entire vortex thread of new 1.8T owners discussing high stock dynos. http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1360484

If you want a direct link to one particular stock 1.8T dyno - http://users4.ev1.net/~websales_aaronb/Pics/Jetta1.8Tdyno.jpg

173 whp... for something with 180 crank.



Now, I've backed up everything I've said. I'd rather not get into another e-thuggin battle, but I'm not as "full of shit" as you claim I am.

 

[fireredGST]

Yeah, so I'm not a very nice guy for going back to old arguments, but this particular one left a rather sore taste in my mouth, and I feel a number of things need to be cleared up.

1- Yes, a stock GST is faster than a stock 1.8T or VR6. Not by that much.

2- Here ya go, an entire vortex thread of new 1.8T owners discussing high stock dynos. http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1360484

If you want a direct link to one particular stock 1.8T dyno - http://users4.ev1.net/~websales_aaronb/Pics/Jetta1.8Tdyno.jpg

173 whp... for something with 180 crank.



Now, I've backed up everything I've said. I'd rather not get into another e-thuggin battle, but I'm not as "full of shit" as you claim I am.

Funny, here is a dyno of a 1.8T with an APR chip and a filter

http://www.ktrperformance.com/services/Dyno_Graphs/VW/graph_02_VW_GTI.htm

only 170whp....


Heres one of a 1.8T Jetta, with GIAC chip,K04 turbo,autotech exhaust,downpipe

http://www.ktrperformance.com/services/Dyno_Graphs/VW/graph_01_Jetta_1204.htm

only 179whp....

Heres a 2002 VR6 GTI, with chip, exhaust, airfilter....

http://www.ktrperformance.com/services/Dyno_Graphs/VW/graph_VR6_24v.htm

only 160whp.....


2002 VW GTI 1.8T, chip,CDA,exhaust,BOV

http://www.ktrperformance.com/services/Dyno_Graphs/VW/graph_02_GTI_1024.htm

only 178whp


Best stock VW GTI 1.8T time I have found is

15.190 @ 90.13 mph


Best Stock GS-T times...

14.7 @ 95 mph

notice the trap speeds....


Stock GS-T's can dyno as high as 180whp stock....



http://www.overboost.com/story.asp?id=55


Heres a good writeup on a GS-T's potentional....

254whp with just intake,exhaust,BOV.MBC

 

[senseiturtle]

repeat

"A stock GST is faster, but not by much"


If you'd like, I'm sure I could dig up a variety of "not-so-hot" 4g63 dynos, but posting them wouldn't prove much of a point.

 

[fireredGST]

repeat

"A stock GST is faster, but not by much"


If you'd like, I'm sure I could dig up a variety of "not-so-hot" 4g63 dynos, but posting them wouldn't prove much of a point.

Go ahead, I would like to see those. My point is simple, VW's with modifications still don't dyno as much whp as a stock 2G FWD DSM.

Trapping 5mph more in the 1/4, and running 14.7 is not beating a car by a little, thats 4+ cls.

Even mod for mod a GST has ALOT more whp, with just intake,exhaust,BOV,MBC. GST's can dyno as high at 254whp.

I don't want to start this into another DSM vs VW fight, this is a DSM message board, of course everyone on here is going to defend the 4G63.


Preety intresting find....this looks more or less like a stock 1.8T GTI dyno...

http://www.ktrperformance.com/services/Dyno_Graphs/VW/graph_337_apr.htm

154whp...


P.S. There is a video in the lounge of a lightly modified GS-T staying right next to an STI.

 

[TheDeer]

I actually am going going the other way, I had two vw's and now I am going DSM. I can tell you that stock vr's are not that fast, but you get a modded a2vr (either turbo or done up all motor) and you will be quite surprised. Oh yeah I had a Vortech blower and n20 on my old 98, and the 1991 vr was a turbo. If you see an intercooler, get ready it will be fun.

All in all, stock for stock, I think its all about the driver, it doesn't matter how fast the car is, spin them and you loose in either car.

Modded, I think its just as close there are both cars that run 9's, 10's, etc... I can tell you that most vw's are not that fast, and many vw people really cannot drive the 1/4 or street drags well. IMO.

We shall see if the DSM is going to be as much as a PITA as the old hoopty:

http://edeer0.tripod.com/DSC00002_web.JPG
http://edeer0.tripod.com/DSC00004.JPG

 

[red4G63T]

Those VW's sure dyno low for those mods they have. stock 4G63's have even dynoed 190whp bone stock.

 

[sherloc123]

this isnt getting any way by the looks of it :thumbdown

 

[xdime00]

From personal experience working on my friends VW VR6 Jetta... I F$*#% HATE THOSE CARS! They are designed so no one except a dealer can do the work... we put in a full stereo, intake, cat-back, chipped it and installed new plugs and wires. With the stereo out of the car, it only managed a 15.3. The other thing is turbo setups and any other parts are through the roof expensive. Intakes are like $350, exhausts like $600? My other buddy Art sold his VW 1.8t after putting on about $3000 in mods and not breaking into the 13s. Im not a fan of VWs at all. Plus... all the ones i drove handled like shit! Ive only driven VR6 and 1.8t jettas, but i would take my DSM any day. Every one who owns a VW or Audi seems stuck on their cars like its the greatest thing ever... I forgot who said it on here but i quote "I would buy a VW or Audi if i wanted to spend twice as much money to go half as fast."