Fp3052 or FP 20G tdoh6 SS3''

[liquordrunk]

I was wondering what would be the better set up for a SBR stage I block and stage III head and the supporting mods. Which turbo would be better torque wise. Im asking about these 2 turbos since they are about the same price granted i know that FP3052 is a bigger turbo but im not runnin a FULLy built motor jsut a mild build. I have used the search button and found few articles on the Fp3052 but nothing that i need to know as in the spool up time on lets say 24 psi is this an efficient range for the fp3052 or less. im commin up from a EIIIB16G that is why i was considering the 20G but hopefully i can get some help from you guys
thanks

 

[2fast420a]

There are people making 400+hp with the FP3052 on the stock motor.

 

[Stapl3]

You don't need a built anything for those turbos.

 

[liquordrunk]

WELL THAT IS TRUE BUT IM SURE THAT THERE WOULD BE SUFFicient lag invovled with such a big turbo like htat on a stock motor right?

 

[raped]

It will hit 29 psi before 3500 rpm in 5th gear on a stock 2g 7-bolt with hks 272 cams. That is much faster than any 20g will spool.

 

[1fast97gsx]

WELL THAT IS TRUE BUT IM SURE THAT THERE WOULD BE SUFFicient lag invovled with such a big turbo like htat on a stock motor right?

A "built" motor doesn't mean less lag ... it just means it can take more abuse.

 

[liquordrunk]

i can understand that '1fast97gsx' but when u port ur head and put bigger cams and bore the block ur providin more power so in al lthe end ur gettin more grunt to push the turbo if im correct... i jsut was wondering should i get a built block and head with 272 cams for the FP3052 i think that it would be better off in a snese since '1fast ' i would be able to redline higher with a built block right?!!! longer power band since the FP3052 doesnt hit full spool on a a stock motor till like 4 grand right? jsut a few facts i was wantin to find out.. So u dont think that lag would be a problem with a stock motor with a FP3052?

 

[definitiveno]

the power band is only longer, as long as you keep the turbo within it's efficiency range.

 

[liquordrunk]

thats true about the longer pwr band and all but does the stock motor have pwr to make a turbo liek th FP3052 breath like it should the mods list is liek this
FMIC, 650, 3' blow set up, fpr (38psi) 3'' exhaust, safcII, wbO2 a/f guage, dsmlink 1g, HKS 272 cams. would this be a good set up fur the FP3052 or the FP20G ''SS''

 

[raped]

i can understand that '1fast97gsx' but when u port ur head and put bigger cams and bore the block ur providin more power so in al lthe end ur gettin more grunt to push the turbo if im correct... i jsut was wondering should i get a built block and head with 272 cams for the FP3052 i think that it would be better off in a snese since '1fast ' i would be able to redline higher with a built block right?!!! longer power band since the FP3052 doesnt hit full spool on a a stock motor till like 4 grand right? jsut a few facts i was wantin to find out.. So u dont think that lag would be a problem with a stock motor with a FP3052?

Did you read my post? here Ill say it again AN FP3052 WILL SEE FULL BOOST BEFORE 3500 RPM

Head porting and 272 cams will make your turbo spool SLOWER.

 

[super95awd]

I'm flowing 54-55 lb/min on pump gas with a 3052 and the mods in my profile. That's also on a stock intake manifold. 3052 all the way . Oh and on the stroker I see 30psi by about 3500-3600.

 

[raped]

I'm flowing 54-55 lb/min on pump gas with a 3052 and the mods in my profile. That's also on a stock intake manifold. 3052 all the way . Oh and on the stroker I see 30psi by about 3500-3600.

thats strange it is hard for me to get the airflow past 47 pounds per minute, I know its the turbo holding me back.

Are you running a gm mas?

 

[super95awd]

Nope, stock/unhacked 2g. I'm about to chuck it over the hill for the GM though.

 

[scottsee]

wow, thats alot of work you've done to they car. your hitting full 30psi at 3500rpm with your FP turbo and your in the 12's with dsmlink? how is that possable? i would have figured that for a mid-low 11 second dsm!! what kind of power are you making?

 

[definitiveno]

the fp3052, essentially a gt30r is rated at a max of 52lbs min


how are you pulling 55lbs min on pump gas?

 

[CanadianTSi]

Nope, stock/unhacked 2g. I'm about to chuck it over the hill for the GM though.

It will be interesting to see how much of a gain the GM MAS will be.

 

[super95awd]

wow, thats alot of work you've done to they car. your hitting full 30psi at 3500rpm with your FP turbo and your in the 12's with dsmlink? how is that possable? i would have figured that for a mid-low 11 second dsm!! what kind of power are you making?

That was a LONG time ago. 3052 on the 2.0 running 17psi, knocking like hell, with a 2.0 60 foot (blew up the center diff).

the fp3052, essentially a gt30r is rated at a max of 52lbs min


how are you pulling 55lbs min on pump gas?

2.3 stroker .

 

[definitiveno]

2.3 stroker .

Help me understand this, and I'm not tryin to be a dick, but since when does a stroker make a turbo blow more air then it is rated? How do you know the turbo map wasn't tested on a 2.3 liter dsm and it was only rated 52 lbs min?

Sorry if these are stupid questions, but what is 2.3 and a wink supposed to mean?

 

[super95awd]

The turbo is not actually physically flowing more air, it's just that the 2.3 already flows a certain percentage more air than the 2.0 at the same amount of boost. That clear things up some?

 

[Endz0r]

fp green.

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

A turbo is only going to flow a certain amount of air. You can put it on a 2 liter or a 10 liter, it's still only going to flow x lbs/min. Now, if the turbo is under-rated like most are, you'll outflow the rating. Yes, your 2.3 will flow more air, but the turbo isn't going to flow more than it's maximum just because you have a larger motor, it'll just top out sooner.

 

[liquordrunk]

thanks fur the input fellas imma go with the 3052 but im not gonna be runnin a stroker like sum of you guys are! but im fwd so its all about the suspension to get it to hook up!

 

[liquordrunk]

thanks fur the input fellas imma go with the 3052 but im not gonna be runnin a stroker like sum of you guys are! but im fwd so its all about the suspension to get it to hook up
also would i need bigger than 650 fic for the 3052 cause thats what i have right now
thanks

 

[Endz0r]

you need at least 720cc injectors.

 

[liquordrunk]

thanks endz0r so u would go with the Fp Green its a smaller turbo right? i have looked at it and the 3052 which why is was one of my options also.