ForzaMotorsport VS GT4

[LandoAWD]

"Ghost" still works. Press up on the control pad to turn it on/off.

The two player thing can be a headache, but you shouldn't need anything but TCS in the first place, and even then, only on 700hp+ cars.

 

[BigRand]

It all comes down to the platform, now people we must remember that the PS2 came out a full year before the Xbox did, and we all know how much technology can change in a year.

I think GT4 did a great job with that they had to work with, but I also agree that forza came out gunning with their first simulator. Now I'll give respect where respect is due to GT4 because they started the whole simulator on the console thing, and I haven't seen anything come even close to it until forza.

Forza had the benifit of watching what people liked about the GT series before they dropped theirs and GT4 to me wasn't a complete version of what was expected because of the many problems they were having. Hopefully when the new consoles come out the GT series well come out swinging like they did back in the day. But I'll give it to forza for now because they seriously have me about to take money away from my engine rebuild to buy a used Xbox and controller with the game. So hats off.

Debate on!

 

[I_eat_DSM's]

Forza's for the ricers, and GT4 is the racers. Pretty simple!

 

[Thomas91169]

uh huh.

i guess thats why GT4 has pretty replays and rendered stills, while forza focused on physics and better ingame graphics.

i guess thats why GT series has 400 different hondas, 200 different skylines, 2 mustangs, a vette, and 6 muscle cars, while Forza has equal amounts of everything.

i guess thats why you can drift in GT but you cant really in forza. must be because they know drifting isnt the fastest way around the track. only GT ricers care about drifting.

GT=ricers, Forza=tuners.

except for the whole vehicle design thing. but then again, if you go online, hardly anybody does it. but, of course, the riced out ones who get made fun of.

 

[olmytsi]

If you cant drift in forza, then you just suck cause we have done multiple tracks just drifting
Any realistic game will allow you to drift since its a simple effect of oversteering and controlling the car. Id say Forza is even more drift firendly since it sends the back end out on almost every car on turns.

 

[Thomas91169]

yeah its not hard if you have it set to where the tires always have the same amount of grip.

if you have it on "tire wear" or whatever mode, youll notice that when the tires are losing that much traction and heating up they lose all cohesion and you go ass over end. since i havent played the game in a while i forget what setting it was. it makes holding a drift nearly impossible cause as soon as your halfway through the corner the rears are already superheated and wont start gaining grip till a nice long straight.

none of the cars i had on that game could drift a given line at all. from the big block high end 700hp camaro to the lingenfelter tt vette, to the stock rwd mustangs, etc.

 

[LONEWOLF01]

i would say this both games are good but i play gt4 more because the steering wheel that you can buy you can make all the claims to realism all you want in forza but, you are still using a controller when they made gt4 they made it to use with the steering wheel. guys that own gt4 pick up the steering wheel yes its 150 bucks but it turns just like a real car.
until forza devolps a raceing wheel for their game gt4 will be played the most.

and yes forza has a steering wheel but they did not develop it alongside with the game like the gt4 guys did. and that there makes a difference.

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[2GeNTSi]

Ah I totally forgot about that steering wheel, it is one hell of a wheel. I remember playing it at Best Buy and it just feels so much better then any other wheel I've used. That's one thing I still need to get while in my apt to kill some time.

 

[JST2FST]

Maybe if I was still really into honda's like i used to be I would think the motor swap was the greatest thing in the world, but since my two favorite cars are the RX-7 and the Eclipse, I dont think the whole swap thing is all that great. Over all I think GT4 is just a better game. Every says Forza got it right on their first try but they had GT, GT2, and GT3 to look at before they made their game. When GT first came out it were the best racing game out and I think it still is.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

I just got Forza last night and haven't had a chance to play it yet so I will give my impressions after some time with it.

 

[seth98es]

Ive played both, and honestly not sure which I like better. GT4 is pretty much an updated GT3 with HORRIBLE AI and ok graphics at best. Forza seemed to have very touchy braking. Must have to get used to it, but I didnt play for long.

If you ask me, any racing game on any console to date is an arcade game. I have yet to see a full on simulator. The best racing games are on PC and that is a fact. PS2 and Xbox just dont have the right developers to make an awesome simulator. They are developing for the general consumer, not the consumer who cares about the physics more then the eye candy.

 

[eclipse98GST]

I played both forza and GT4 and all that say Forza has better graphics, you must be smoking crack! GT4 is much more crisp and sharp as compared to forzas Cartoonish graphics, and the mirroring affect in Forza sucks, you can see the frames at which the objects reflect off the cars which is no good in my opinion. The tuning options are almost exactley alike and i think GT4 has a more professional approach to it. I give Forza and GT4 .

 

[JRichter]

Ever play Kanomi's Pro Enthusia Racing. Sure this game has less cars, less options, probably worse graphics than GT4 and Forza (and it doesn't even have a dsm in it), but I'll be damned if someone has actual topped feel of GT series physics. They nailed the physics on this game. The AI are far superior to GT4 and Forza and it is much more of a challenge. All three games have their highpoints and I would buy all three anyway, but this game is worth a rent.

PS-it does have the Nurburgring also.

 

[BGGSTin]

I made a special trip to the store and purchased a PS2 just for GT4 when I already have an XBOX. A week later I took them back because I was dissapointed with the game. Last month I picked up Forza Motorsport and I like it alot better. The physics seem to be better while driving it reminds me of how things should react, as if I were driving. Now GT4 does have many more cars, and many variations of the same kind. Forza has a more limited number of cars but it doesnt really have a car that I dont want. The only thing that I feel Forza is lacking on is one gameplay mode, the ability to run a quarter mile like you can in GT4. I feel Forza could be much better with better physics and damage to start. Overall I would suggest Forza, if you have an XBOX and GT4 if you have a PS2. If you do not have a system, wait for the new ones to debut. Well that is my thoughts on things, I hope it will help out someone.

Additionally I forgot about one of the best things in Forza, the ability to tune your car alot more to your liking. From engine swaps to bolt on parts, its there; along with an assortment of look sharp goodies. GT4 enables bolt ons but falls short in the most likeable engine swaps. The only thing that I wish you could do is tune them like an EMS, where you can change fuel, ignition curves, boost pressure and so on for your specific car you racing. [I'm sure it will be out in a later game]. Hopefully it debuts soon

 

[aztek_warrior]

GT4.............

 

[chris gst]

...only thing that I feel Forza is lacking on is one gameplay mode, the ability to run a quarter mile like you can in GT4. I feel Forza could be much better with better physics and damage to start...

Forza does have a 1/4 mile track in it. It saves the times and ghosts as well as it being a full 1/4 track.

 

[Volume Eight]

i cant believe noone mentioned the drivatar option in Forza??? What better than to watch a video game play itself?! Seriously though, drivatar is pretty cool in forza, it allows you to use each type of car to teach your drivatar how you drive, and its all based on the law of averages. Its fun to watch your "creation" driving like you would (hopefully on your best day) while doing work or chatting online etc... Great for people like me that are constantly working but love video games. Peace.

 

[wortdog]

I thought the physics in Forza were laughable for a serious driving simulator, particularly braking and turn-in physics. The differences in FF, FR, MR, AWD, and RR are not very pronounced. Corner exit feels okay though.

Those of you that haven't seen GT4 in 1080i widescreen are missing out.

I mainly play GT4 in competition with friends on local boards to see who can run the best times, so I could care less about damage and AI.

 

[Dj_Diablo]

Forza did an amazing job making the game "fun".

Every GT game I've played, I was able to use one car to build up tons and tons of cash. I didn't have to try different cars to get into the other class events and after modding the hell out of this one (or two) car and playing the same courses over and over, I got really bored. The other events all wanted really high laps for prizes, and it got extremely boring and frustrating to play them.

Forza wouldn't allow me to move ahead in the game without winning different classes. When I won a rwd event, I received a fwd car, and was then able to play the fwd events. Just having a single car alone at the start, it wouldnt let you go into the higher levels unless you beat the other events with different cars. This made the game alot of fun and I was forced to learn to drive different styles of cars in different races in order to further myself in the game.

Forza > GT

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

I agree Forza is great for "fun" so far.

My first impressions are kinda of the same. Even with the difficulty on "hard" I breezed through almost all of the beginning races without having to upgrade or buy a new car since the the reqard cars help you in other races. The only thing I don't like is that they tell you what car you will win before the race starts. I like the mystery of GT4 where you don't know what car you will get.(unless you are looking at the prize list on line)

 

[shad'O]

U can see that Forza is getting most of the love right now and its for a good reason. Forza's developers focused on sim and fun, where as to me in my opinon GT4's developers wanted to go away sayn "well our game looks pretty". Graphics are nice don't get me wrong but how many of us go back to play nintendo games because of sheer fun not graphics. GT4 is a great game, but they don't listen to the fans, where's the customization? I don't wana race a 3hr race with the same exact car passing me in 4 different colors, it gets too repetitive! And where are the cars that we all love? Forza saw what the consumer wanted and Gt4 assumed all we wanted to do is look at "pretty backgrounds". I don't know about u guyz but i think a bigger factor in racing sims or in any platform is there "fun factor"more then there graphics. Grand Theft Auto is one of the most played game out there but when u compare there graphics to Metal Gear Solid it's like ## playn a PS1 game. Now u can't tell me that fun is a lil bit better . Here's another analogy... who wants to have sex with a pretty girl if it doesn't feel good?

In closing.......Forza
Gt4

 

[LandoAWD]

 

[I_eat_DSM's]

Forza's driving is horrible. Me and my friend played Forza for an hour, and then played GT4 for about three. Forza's only leg up on GT4 is the motor swaps, and the cars aren't even as fast as they should be, and they don't handle as they should when making all that power.

GT4>Forza

 

[shad'O]

"I eat DSM's" that was weak thats all you have to say? Gt4's control of cars isn't that much differnet from Forza's trust me I've played them both for months on end. Forza Kills Gt4 because they teach people from all gaming lvls how to drive and take turns at certain speeds and if that option is too "mundane" for u then turn that option off. But i'm sorry, i guess I'm the only person in this world that likes to actually customize my car's performance and apperance......oh no that's not tru cause if that was the case Need 4 Speed wouldn't be the number 1 best selling car game in America . Has anyone even noticed that Gt4 doesn't even care about the early lvl racing, which is the racing that I'm into (the 200hp-350hp cars), all they care about is the 700-up hp races which get very boring because your car is "never quite fast enough" and at that point handels like a Yukon. I'd like to think that all of us are DSM heads, and DSM's have never been a big part in GT4's racing. Atleast we have Talons and Eclipse's in Forza, that in my opinon perfom to SPEC. I don't know about you guyz but I don't even waste my time if a DSM isn't in a racing game. Here's another one of my great analogies: Not having a DSM in a racing platform is like having a website called "DSMtuner" and talking about Honda's(Ricers).- It CAN be done but what purpose would it serve???



From a True DSMer

 

[LandoAWD]

Forza Kills Gt4 because they teach people from all gaming lvls how to drive and take turns at certain speeds

License tests.

But i'm sorry, i guess I'm the only person in this world that likes to actually customize my car's performance and apperance

GT Auto.

oh no that's not tru cause if that was the case Need 4 Speed wouldn't be the number 1 best selling car game in America

Hondas are the best selling car. Your point?

Has anyone even noticed that Gt4 doesn't even care about the early lvl racing, which is the racing that I'm into (the 200hp-350hp cars),

Uhhhh, beginner and intermediate races, class limited races, etc.

all they care about is the 700-up hp races which get very boring because your car is "never quite fast enough" and at that point handels like a Yukon.

Tuning.

I'd like to think that all of us are DSM heads, and DSM's have never been a big part in GT4's racing.

They have been in what..3 of 4? Most people that play the game are racing enthusiasts, not just DSMers.

Atleast we have Talons and Eclipse's in Forza

As oppsed to the Talons and Eclipses in GT4?

I don't know about you guyz but I don't even waste my time if a DSM isn't in a racing game.

*guys <-I checked, it doesn't have a "z" at the end. Again; enthusiasts.

Not having a DSM in a racing platform is like having a website called "DSMtuner" and talking about Honda's(Ricers).- It CAN be done but what purpose would it serve???

Keep you day job, Socrates.

From a True DSMer

And we aren't?