Experts needed A.S.A.P. -- Baffled

[Stock92Talon]

Hey guys need some help, I was searching for fill and drain plug locations on my tranny because everything that came up from the vfaq and the searches I did on here matched my haynes book. But for some reason it dosent match my car, I did read where a guy said his drain plug was on the lower front of the trans. And his fill plug was under his shift linkage. Being that this is all I could come up with since I opened what I thought was the fill plug (according to the haynes and vfaq) and fluid started comming out. Anyway so I drained what was in there (not very much) And added 3 quarts of Penzoil Syncromesh like every search on here told me to do. BUT... 1) It didn't ever overflow like I expected supposed to only hold 2.4 quarts i believe. 2) Was gonna take here out for a spin but my clutch was soft and not engaging, it was like I wasn't pushing in the clutch at all. Can you guys please help me out here, how did I go from changing transmission fluid to my clutch not working..

thanks

Chris
92 Stock Eagle Talon

 

[Maglin]

Sounds like you might have got fluid on your clutch disc. If that is the case then you will have to take it out and at the very least use some break cleaner to clean the disc, flywheel, and pressure plate. Also check you fluid in the clutch and maybe even bleed it, but I doubt that is the problem.

 

[Stock92Talon]

Well now the clutch is working properly but it is engaging / disengaging very close to the floor. Do you still feel the same as you posted above? I can actually drive the car now.


Chris

 

[Maglin]

That is not good. It is probably not disengaging fully and is dragging on the flywheel. This will eat your snyco's and lead to grinding. Check your clutch peddle assemby for worn bushings and parts. If you have anything worn out go get a new assembly from the dealer. They are not to expensive and much better than tring to fix it yourself.

 

[Stock92Talon]

Maglin I really appriciate you responding to my post. I beleive it is disengaging all the way, if it wasn't wouldn't it stall when i put it in nuetral or grind when i put it in gear. And also how would my clutch assembly go from fine to bieng bad from changing tranny fluid. The reason i changed the tranny fluid in the first place was due to the notorious second shift grinding.

thanks

Chris

 

[Maglin]

Well if it is engaging and disengaging almost on the floor than the chances are high it is draging. Why I don't know. Their is many things that can go bad and be just a strange coincidence. I just know that your disengagment isn't good as is and can lead to serious issues later on. I just got my tranny done at TRE and Jon gave me a lot of advise as to what to and not to do. He said the pedal assembly is the biggest cause of the clutch not disenganging fully as it wears and looses some of it's movement. I havne't taken mine out yet, I'm just waiting for a warmer day than the -20 and -30 days we have been having around here. I'm just giving you some ideas to try out and see what happens.

 

[Stock92Talon]

I appriciate it maglin, i will take a look at it tommorow. Also any idea why my tranny plugs where not where the haynes book, vfaq or other members said they were.

92 Talon
5 speed
stock


Chirs

 

[Maglin]

oh because maybe you have a 420A motor and totally diffenet tranny. You are N/A and I know the 2G's use the 420A and 4G64 (spider) for their N/A cars... I'm sure the 1G is the same cept their is no convertable so no 4G64...

 

[RSbeast]

If I'm reading that correctly, youve drained the transmission using the fill plug and filled the area where the tob and shaft are?

You will most likely have to yank the tranny and clean everything out with brake clean... but (again unless im reading this totally wrong) your tranny has no fluid sans what was left after it was drained? My advice if this is correct, DO NOT DRIVE the car until u at least fill the thing...... actually, on second thought wouldnt the fluid just come out of the inspection plate for the flywheel?

I am confused

But I do know 2 things. make sure that tranny has fluid and get that crap cleaned out

luck

<i know im a newbie here... but no more DSMtalk where i had 4 yrs in.. so no flame )

 

[pneumo]

Can you describe in detail which plugs you used to drain and fill the tranny? It sounds like you used the fill plug to drain the trans, that's why only a little fluid came out. When you filled the trans, did you pull off a rubber plug to fill it, or was it a bolt with a thin, flat head?

If you added 3 quarts on top of the other 2.4 quarts already in the trans it would be hard to shift.

If you poured 3 quarts onto your clutch, it would mess up the clutch, obviously. Hopefully you would have noticed a puddle of fluid running out of the bellhousing.

 

[Stock92Talon]

Yes your right i am a fu***** idiot, i did drain the trans with the fill plug. And I added tranny fluid from a bolt directly below the shift linkage. So where the F** is my drain plug. And no there is no tranny fluid comming out from under my car. It isnt hard to shift, just the clutch realse point is close to the floor. I am a dumb ass.

 

[Stock92Talon]

the first picture is where i filled it from. second picture is the fill plug (drain if your a dumb**)

 

[Stock92Talon]

im still an idiot

 

[6bolt4g63]

The drain plug should be on the bottom of the trans. Might be screwed in from the side depending on NT or turbo models. The bolt is big and flat with a thin washer like said before. Here is a pic from a turbo model, just to give an idea.

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Good VFAQ site...
http://www.vfaq.com/index-main.html

 

[RSbeast]

Man, I've never taken that bolt under the shift cables out...... can u remove it an shine a flashlight down in there to give us an idea of whats underneath? At least draining from the fill plug you probubly didnt loose much tranny fluid at all, so it SHOULD be at the proper level.... but to give you an idea, there is like 6 qts of fluid somewhere in your tranny.


Remove your fill plug bolt and see if tranny fluid spills out. That would let you know if you have it in the right place or not. You fill the tranny until its level with that plug or just starting to come out when the car is sitting level. SO, if you can loose like 2 qts by removing the fill plug, then u might be safe and u need to bleed the clutch

let us know

 

[Stock92Talon]

update... i have opened the fill plug and let the excess trannsmission fluid out of the tranny. But my clutch is still engaging/disengaging about 1.5 inches from the floor. Why??? And RSbeast i have read the vfaq and have seen that picture but i am telling you I don not have a drain plug where it is supposed to be. Any thoughts?????????


Chris

 

[RSbeast]

If the excess fluid was allowed to be relieved from the tranny, then u SHOULD be okay. You didnt happen to crack the bleeder on the clutch slave when u were lookin around for bolts did you?

Try bleeding the clutch and adusting the rod on the master out and go from there.

Drainplug wise, my n/t is in another state being driven by my little brother so I cannot post a picture, and I'm assuming this is a 2.0, although i'm nut sure if they share the 1.8 tranny. From my haynes manual that bolt was some sort of 'ball restrictor assembly' as it seems labeled ... but i doubt it made the tranny engage differently.

good luck an try the bleed

 

[6bolt4g63]

OK, just took some pics of the drain bolt from a 91 Eclipse GS 2.0 NT 5spd(same as 92 talon 2.0 NT). The drain bold screws in from the left side right under the passenger axle. Check the pics..

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Hope this helps

 

[Stock92Talon]

Hey now that bolt I saw.. But i opened that bolt and nothing came out!!!!! So I closed it and thought it was the wrong bolt. That was the first bolt I opened even before I found the fill plug. It was 24mm. So why did nothing come out? My tranny had worked fine except for the second shift grind.


Chris

 

[Stock92Talon]

Still wondering if somebody can confirm what 6bolt4g63 is showing me as the drain plug.


Thanks
Chris

 

[6bolt4g63]

That IS the drain bolt in those pics, 100 % positive. Open that bolt, let the fluid out. If nothing came out, than u have a leak somewhere or somebody forgot to fill it. Close the bolt back up, then open the filler bolt, which is in YOUR pic # 2. Start filling the trans with fluid. BG synchroshift is what i use. Just stop when the fluid starts coming out from the filler hole. Should take about 2.5 qrts. Close it up and take it for a spin, than check to see if its leaking anywhere. You can clean the underneath first, so u can see the leaks better. As for your clutch engaging 1.5 inches from the floor, to my knowlegde that isnt bad, if it was 2.5 inches or more, than u need to adjust it. Correct me if im wrong. Let us know

 

[ryanman]

Man what a bunch of idiots, jeez.

On a 1G fwd tranny the drain plug is under the pass. side axle and the fill plug is the 17mm bolt on the FRONT of the tranny, how ####ing hard can this be?

On an AWD car the drian is in the front lower portion of the tranny, the fill plug is above it to the right. Same as all the pics posted above.

I swear some people shouldn't own DSM's.

 

[Stock92Talon]

6bolt4g63 thank you, I wasnt re asking because i didnt beleive you. I had just opened that and nothing came out But I will do what You tell me. It will be a few days my gradfather is not doing so well so I am off to see him. Thanks guys for all the help. This beast will be sold as soon as I get the tittle back. anybody interested. j/k (not really).

 

[BrokenTsi]

Man what a bunch of idiots, jeez.

On a 1G fwd tranny the drain plug is under the pass. side axle and the fill plug is the 17mm bolt on the FRONT of the tranny, how ####ing hard can this be?

On an AWD car the drian is in the front lower portion of the tranny, the fill plug is above it to the right. Same as all the pics posted above.

I swear some people shouldn't own DSM's.

! ^^^^

The fill plug sits horizontal with the car and the drain plug is like 24mm or something huge and is angled down towards the ground so if you crack it loose, it.......ya know.........drains and stuff.