engine vote

[danny_2010]

i was just wanting to know what everyone thought would be better. heres what you can vote for:
1)4g63
2)4g63t
3)built 420a

give reasons for your vote please.
thanks

 

[Joe Cool]

1) Has the problems of the 4g63t but not the power
2) Has the problems of the 4g63 engine but has the power of the turbo and as much potential as has been shown by Mr. Rau and Mr. Shepherd
3) Perfect daily driver and reliable engine but it will cost you 4 times as much money to make it as fast as any 4g63, at least without a turbo.

 

[JEFFREYCASTGSX]

If its for a n/t, then no doubt a built 420a. The time and money you waste trying to swap a 4g63 will not be equal to what you could get out of a built 420a. Just stick to a 420a there are already many parts for it and can do just as much as a 4g63(sort of). Oh and just to add... any and all motors have their share of problems but a 420a has no where as many problems as a 4g63. It might be a little(just a little) bit more expensive to build though.

 

[Locke]

The 420a will cost more in the initial steps of making big power versus factory turbocharged 4g63, but has equal potential for power. The 4g63 isn't a drop-in swap, nor is it affordable in any way. A 4g63 swap will cost more than purchasing a 2g with a factory-installed 4g63; If you can afford the swap, you can afford the factory turbo-car that you really want.

See here: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dsm-420a-frequently-answered-questions/305518-engine-swaps.html

It's not a Honda. Build what you have.

 

[danny_2010]

let me be more specific....this aint ideas for me. i was just wanting to know what engine everyone thinks is the best. thanks for the votes so far guys. just keep in mind this is only the engine. no swapping

 

[Locke]

In that case, the 4g63t has proven itself over and over and over. It has stronger internals from the factory, and far more options and brand choices.

 

[djalogik]

i was just wanting to know what everyone thought would be better. heres what you can vote for:
1)4g63
2)4g63t
3)built 420a

give reasons for your vote please.
thanks

would be better for what?

 

[AshTsi]

you are getting confused because he said ""i was just wanting to know what everyone thought would be better.""

What i believe he is trying to get at is what engine "you" think is the overall best if you had to choose from the 3 listed.

If i am correct i would have to agree with Locke.. He pretty much summed it up.

 

[Dadowhip08]

420a.... built only down fall is traction...

 

[Locke]

Sometimes I lack basic comprehension skills.

For big HP and dreams of grandiose, go with the 4g63t. For when reliability or economy is essential, go with the 420a. For mild goals, either will work fine.

The 4g63 nt has all of the cons of the 4g63, but natively none of the pro's. (No offense 1gnt guys) There is the ease of boosting though.



I stand by my previous statements.

 

[jrohner]

If you want a glorified dodge neon, 420a all the way. booooo!!!!!!!

 

[LTUDSM]

what a stupid vote!!!!!! Prob dude trying to score some points by making such a useful thread.......

 

[jrohner]

If he asked, what's the best engine ever, I'd still say 4g63t. Much less the 3 choices available.

 

[danny_2010]

ima put my own two bits in just for fun the 420a has more potential than the 4g63. to get the big hp from boosting you have to upgrade the internals to keep from blowing. this means more time and more money, but a whole lot more pay off. the 420a is diamler crysler engine which is balanced better and diamler has been making engines for a long long time. there engine just has the better potential than the 4g63. ive heard of guys gettin around 500-700 hp from a built 420a compared to the 400-500 built 4g63. i dont know it may just be me but i take a 420a any day just for the potential. and also alot less problems from the 420a cause its a diamler engine. i know ive got 139,000 on mine and ive never done anything except the tranny soinoids.

 

[eeeewidner]

As of any engine built, it is essentially important on how well and often maint. was done on them. I have owned n/t 1g's that have held up very nice and very rarely broke down... Might I add that I was religious about maint. And I very rarely had the rpms above 4k. And as of the 420a. Yes it is a good motor, however, it fell very short as of reliability from the 2.5 rattle can engine Chrysler replaced it with..... Just my 2 cents.....

 

[Lofty]

1) Has the problems of the 4g63t but not the power

I know how this one is.

Look at my tech posts, I have a new problem each week, just get stock turbo, do it for me!

 

[mnr88talon]

ima put my own two bits in just for fun the 420a has more potential than the 4g63. to get the big hp from boosting you have to upgrade the internals to keep from blowing. this means more time and more money, but a whole lot more pay off. the 420a is diamler crysler engine which is balanced better and diamler has been making engines for a long long time. there engine just has the better potential than the 4g63. ive heard of guys gettin around 500-700 hp from a built 420a compared to the 400-500 built 4g63. i dont know it may just be me but i take a 420a any day just for the potential. and also alot less problems from the 420a cause its a diamler engine. i know ive got 139,000 on mine and ive never done anything except the tranny soinoids.

i dunno man, im gonna have to disagree because i have heard of way more "built" 4g63's that have 1000's of hp where as i havent heard of any 420a's with that kind of power. As for aftermarket support, again with potential id say the 4g63 wins. Youd have way more potential with more aftermarket support.

Im not trashin the 420a, my friends n/t's have been reliable as hell -- my experience with it hasnt been great so far (headgaskets, intake valve, and oil leaks every time i have fixed something on it something else goes wrong) but my friends have beaten their n/t's constantly and have not had problems with them.. besides with t/c engines its a given that they will be less reliable than n/a engines

 

[cs82685]

ima put my own two bits in just for fun the 420a has more potential than the 4g63. to get the big hp from boosting you have to upgrade the internals to keep from blowing. this means more time and more money, but a whole lot more pay off. the 420a is diamler crysler engine which is balanced better and diamler has been making engines for a long long time. there engine just has the better potential than the 4g63. ive heard of guys gettin around 500-700 hp from a built 420a compared to the 400-500 built 4g63. i dont know it may just be me but i take a 420a any day just for the potential. and also alot less problems from the 420a cause its a diamler engine. i know ive got 139,000 on mine and ive never done anything except the tranny soinoids.

I think you're a little confused with your numbers. STOCK 4g63's have been known to handle 400-500whp. Stock 420a's usually don't handle much more than 200-250whp for an extended period of time. There's one documented case of a stock 420a making a hair over 300whp for a season of racing. Built 4g63's have gone much further than built 420a's. On another side, for a long time the fastest fwd dsm was BIll Hahn's 420a.

A positive note for the 420a is the head is designed by lotus and flows very well in stock form. I don't know how it compares to the 4g63 though.

 

[-TunedDSM-]

ima put my own two bits in just for fun the 420a has more potential than the 4g63. to get the big hp from boosting you have to upgrade the internals to keep from blowing. this means more time and more money, but a whole lot more pay off. the 420a is diamler crysler engine which is balanced better and diamler has been making engines for a long long time. there engine just has the better potential than the 4g63. ive heard of guys gettin around 500-700 hp from a built 420a compared to the 400-500 built 4g63. i dont know it may just be me but i take a 420a any day just for the potential. and also alot less problems from the 420a cause its a diamler engine. i know ive got 139,000 on mine and ive never done anything except the tranny soinoids.

As said before a stock 4g63t can handle upwards of 500 horsepower. It would take a built 420a to even take a swing at those kind of numbers. The 4g63t is arguably one of the best 4 cylinder engines ever produced.

As far as reliability goes, the 4g63t is very reliable. It handles alot of stress on a daily basis. Its as simple as replacing the timing components every 60k and other standard maintenance (plugs, wires, etc). If you do that you will have a reliable, powerful engine.

Not to knock the 420a, it can make some power but it is not superior to the 4g63t. Enjoy your 420a, I will stick to my 4g63.

Also since this is a vote thread, where's the poll?

 

[danny_2010]

ok i will say one thing i did learn....there are 4g63's out there wit 1000 hp. i looked it up right afer i posted that last one and it looks like i was wrong. but i have heard og 420a's with over 500 hp and i will stick by that. my goal for mine is 600-700 hp. and i stick by the reliablity of the 420a's. i know i give mine all kinds of hell and its 139000 miles and never touched the engine.....and i'm talking about not doing anything except oil changes. but ive heard of guys having to put new cranks in their 4g63's arounf 60-80,000 and all kinds of other bad stuff. ill stick with the 420a

and about the poll....i was board when i did this and just looking for an arguement its not a formal vote or anything

 

[GofaST4life]

^ hope you have the bank, thats going to be an expensive adventure my friend.
Good luck.

 

[knochgoon24]

ok i will say one thing i did learn....there are 4g63's out there wit 1000 hp. i looked it up right afer i posted that last one and it looks like i was wrong. but i have heard og 420a's with over 500 hp and i will stick by that. my goal for mine is 600-700 hp. and i stick by the reliablity of the 420a's. i know i give mine all kinds of hell and its 139000 miles and never touched the engine.....and i'm talking about not doing anything except oil changes. but ive heard of guys having to put new cranks in their 4g63's arounf 60-80,000 and all kinds of other bad stuff. ill stick with the 420a

and about the poll....i was board when i did this and just looking for an arguement its not a formal vote or anything

I don't see why everyone has (or says) reliability problems with the 4g63. I haven't had the engine break on me yet. I've only broken an accessory belt, and that's because I ignored a squealing belt and tried to drive 150 miles home.

 

[Red97Eclipseboy]

ima put my own two bits in just for fun the 420a has more potential than the 4g63. to get the big hp from boosting you have to upgrade the internals to keep from blowing. this means more time and more money, but a whole lot more pay off. the 420a is diamler crysler engine which is balanced better and diamler has been making engines for a long long time. there engine just has the better potential than the 4g63. ive heard of guys gettin around 500-700 hp from a built 420a compared to the 400-500 built 4g63. i dont know it may just be me but i take a 420a any day just for the potential. and also alot less problems from the 420a cause its a diamler engine. i know ive got 139,000 on mine and ive never done anything except the tranny soinoids.

ok i will say one thing i did learn....there are 4g63's out there wit 1000 hp. i looked it up right afer i posted that last one and it looks like i was wrong. but i have heard og 420a's with over 500 hp and i will stick by that. my goal for mine is 600-700 hp. and i stick by the reliablity of the 420a's. i know i give mine all kinds of hell and its 139000 miles and never touched the engine.....and i'm talking about not doing anything except oil changes. but ive heard of guys having to put new cranks in their 4g63's arounf 60-80,000 and all kinds of other bad stuff. ill stick with the 420a

and about the poll....i was board when i did this and just looking for an arguement its not a formal vote or anything

Thanks for the laughs, champ. I can tell you're running off almost entirely hearsay and your own biased opinion that is poorly educated. So you think a 500hp 420a will be reliable like your 140hp one? Wake up and get a clue about engines and reality.

 

[ilco187]

i dont have a problem with 420a but i would rather have a 4g63 already turboed and capable of holding 400+ on stock internals not to mention awd

 

[danny_2010]

Thanks for the laughs, champ. I can tell you're running off almost entirely hearsay and your own biased opinion that is poorly educated. So you think a 500hp 420a will be reliable like your 140hp one? Wake up and get a clue about engines and reality.

what would be the difference if i was running a 500 hp 420a compared to a 140 hp? i wont drive it like a idiot and take chances of blowing it so yea it'll run fine.

im sorry but when i get the money i'm gonna prove all you 4g63 guys wrong that a 420a can be just as good with some money and time. i dont see why a 4g63 is so much better than a 420a when your gonna have to upgrade the stock internals to run high boost and high hp anyways? either way you go your still putting lots of money and time into your car to run any kind of hp or boost. to get a 4 cyl. to get any kind of hp it takes money and time. if you want cheap and quick hp get out of this class of cars and get in the chevy 350 range. it takes money more than anything with 4 cyl engines.