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[TwoLiterV8Eater]

They dont have a .50 trim turbo because a .50 trim is not an off the shelf garrett turbo.

 

[Unreal]

Call AGP for pricing. They WILL beat this guys prices no problem. That way you support a DSM vendor, get it from a great source, and a BETTER price.

 

[Slowboy]

If you are buying an "off the shelf" Garrett turbo without a 360 thrust bearing... and want to run high boost have fun.

Why do you think the Honda guys do NOT have problems with these turbos? Oh, thats right, they run like 8 psi.

Run 20 plus PSI for about a week on a $549.00 turbo... and then see how well you like it!

Regards

Mike Huml

 

[Turbo]

Exon Valdes...comes to mind.....

 

[ILOSE]

Originally posted by Slowboy
If you are buying an "off the shelf" Garrett turbo without a 360 thrust bearing... and want to run high boost have fun.

Why do you think the Honda guys do NOT have problems with these turbos? Oh, thats right, they run like 8 psi.

Run 20 plus PSI for about a week on a $549.00 turbo... and then see how well you like it!

I am just asking becasue I do not build turbos. But what if you can get a a turbo with that 360 thrust bearing. Would it then be acceptable?

It just doesn't make sense! I these turbos are Garrett direct turbos then what is the difference? I know when you make hybrids there is machining and balancing involve but that is irrelevent here. I know what answer to expect from most of the vendors out there. Because they need to justify the HUGE mark-up in their PROFITS.

 

[Slowboy]

am just asking becasue I do not build turbos. But what if you can get a a turbo with that 360 thrust bearing. Would it then be acceptable?

Sure it would be. But Garrett makes very few "off the shelf" turbos with the proper 360 thrust bearing.

It just doesn't make sense! I these turbos are Garrett direct turbos then what is the difference?

Do a little more research. Some turbos are meant to only run 6-10 psi...

I know when you make hybrids there is machining and balancing involve but that is irrelevent here

Not exactly. Do your research!

I know what answer to expect from most of the vendors out there. Because they need to justify the HUGE mark-up in their PROFITS

Oh yes... Profits are HUGE on turbos! Especially since there is only like one or two turbo vendors out there....... There is hardly any competition! No one to drive prices down! WOHOO!!

I happen to like when profits are 10-12% on turbos. Go ask your boss if your company would survive on that profit margin... See what he says! Then post his answer here, just leave out the explatives.

Regards

Mike Huml

 

[quickersol]

so what your telling me is that my turbo is going to melt down at over 20psi???? are you serious????

 

[Sully944]

Slow Boy 12% That sucks you must be pulling my leg dude! I mean you must just like to have a warehouse of these to stare at. Let's make a deal you give me some wholesale turbo's and I'll show you how to make 40-50% on tires. 12%

 

[1994supertalon]

Originally posted by Slowboy

I happen to like when profits are 10-12% on turbos. Go ask your boss if your company would survive on that profit margin... See what he says! Then post his answer here, just leave out the explatives.
[/B]

10-12% on turbos? MY A$$!!!! Be honest, you know that's a little off..... I know a few folks that run turbo shops. If that's really all you're profiting them you need do find a new supplier

I can understand you're trying to protect people from buying the wrong turbo but you don't need to flip out just because you got someone out there selling turbos cheaper than you.


Just Relax Slowboy...........

 

[Slowboy]

10-12% on turbos? MY A$$!!!! Be honest

Would you like to see my ledger book from 2002? Give me a fax # and I will send you the last three turbos sold, and the P & L to go with them. Don't talk unless you know what you are saying.

I can understand you're trying to protect people from buying the wrong turbo but you don't need to flip out just because you got someone out there selling turbos cheaper than you.

This is why I hate the internet. If I was flipping out, there would have been an angry face, not a smiley one. I can sell the same junk he has at the same prices. I would not do it however, since it is not going to work for long.......... Does not seem like good business.

Let's make a deal you give me some wholesale turbo's

Lets do some simple math....... O.K.???

20G wheel
20 G compressor cover
16g center
tdo6 turbine wheel
7cm2 housing
10-25 psi actuator
bracket to fit actuator
34 mm flapper made on lathe
mill 7cm2 housing for larger flapper

This is a typical turbo I sell. Lets look at some prices.......

20G wheel $90.00
20G compressor cover $100.00
16g center $300.00
tdo6 turbine wheel $85.00
7cm2 housing $150.00
10-25 psi actuator $100.00

Now, we have $825.00 in parts, my cost.....and we need to balance this turbo, make the actuator bracket, make the 34 mm flapper, mill the 7cm housing for flapper, weld flapper in place, reassemble... Figure at least $150.00 in labor and parts here..... minimum..... My total is $975.00 and I sell for $1099.00. Tell me what the profit is. I mean, you are so smart... Do not forget to figure when you guys pay with a CC take another 2.25% off that number you call profit.

Just Relax Slowboy...........

I will relax, when you stop talking about things that you have no clue about. I should not even have to entertain you with this type of information!

When you work your math wizardry, or need another example, please humor me. I will do this all over again, just for you.

Regards

Mike Huml

 

[CBgst]

That's why when the time comes (hopefully VERY soon) you'll be getting my business Mike. Oh yea and not to mention my friend bought a turbo from you and said customer service was top notch (he'll be back for a motor this year). Keep up the good work Mike

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

tdo6 turbine wheel $85.00

Is that all they cost??? I recently called up a turbo vendor and asked about a TD06H wheel. They quoted me $300. Is there THAT big of a price diff. between the 06 and 06H wheel or are they raping us THAT bad?

Another turbo vendor quoted me $180 for a 20G comp. housing, as opposed to your $100 "cost". That's an 80% markup. Something is quite amiss here.

Mike, if you want to PM me, I'd be happy to give you the names of the vendors.

Mike

 

[Turbo]

Maybe someone should buy the off the shelf Garrett & run 15 to 22 PSI
on it . When your intercooler is full of oil & you are doing the Knight Rider smokescreen thing down the street after a couple of days will you then believe MR. Huml ?

As cheap as those Garretts that are being discussed are .... it still would be an expensive lesson (atleast to me)

 

[Slowboy]

will you then believe MR. Huml ?

Guys, the bad thing is... They could spend $300 more and get the real deal ( to4e 60 trim, $795-850 with 360 thrust )....

But we will charge them $300.00 plus parts to rebuild it once they learn there lesson.

So, which one will be cheaper now?

Regards

Mike Huml

 

[1994supertalon]

Originally posted by Slowboy


Guys, the bad thing is... They could spend $300 more and get the real deal ( to4e 60 trim, $795-850 with 360 thrust )....

But we will charge them $300.00 plus parts to rebuild it once they learn there lesson.

So, which one will be cheaper now?

Regards

Mike Huml

$300 extra for the real deal?? Try an extra $75 to upgrade to the 360 thrust. I called the owner to clear some things up, he should be chiming in to straighten out a few things.......

For someone that runs a business you sure have alot of spare time to sit in front of your computer and give smart-a$$ replies....

This is my last reply to this thread, I'm not going to waste anymore time bickering.

 

[Slowboy]

For someone that runs a business you sure have alot of spare time to sit in front of your computer and give smart-a$$ replies....

Stop.

You are hurting my feelings!

Sniff...

Regards

Mike Huml

 

[CHEAPTURBO]

sorry we dont normally get a chance to post on all of the boards.. but, i had a customer call and point this out, so i thought i might shed a little light from our side...

I can sell the same junk he has at the same prices. I would not do it however, since it is not going to work for long.......... Does not seem like good business

i would like for you to send me some proof as to why these garrett(honeywell/allied signal) turbochargers will not last long.. please. as these are the same center sections used by precision turbo, and turbonetics to name just 2 of the many that use garrett chra's with their own housings.. if they didnt last very long, i would honestly expect that these companies would not use them, much less be at the garrett warehouse distributor level. and as far as honda guys doing only 8lbs on these, i have a guy in california running our t3/to4e .63 a/r stg 3 turbine wheel/60 trim on 1.5 bar putting 415whp.(been running that for about 8 months with no problems.)

Guys, the bad thing is... They could spend $300 more and get the real deal ( to4e 60 trim, $795-850 with 360 thrust )....

we offer the 360 degree thrust bearing option for only $75 more.. making the total price $624 shipped. also offer the wet bearing housing option for only $79.

But Garrett makes very few "off the shelf" turbos with the proper 360 thrust bearing.

proper 360 degree thrust bearing? there' two types of thrust bearings for an automotive turbocharger, a 270 degree and a 360 degree thrust bearing.. most garrett turbochargers come with the 270 degree from the factory.

besides the fact that i dont know much if anything about your business, i just really dont feel that we need to downgrade your products to gain customers the way that you seem to do.

please email us with any questions you may have at [email protected]

or site can now be accessed by www.cheapturbos.com also.

thanks guys, and sorry for the long post.

Ken Peak

 

[Slowboy]

i would like for you to send me some proof as to why these garrett(honeywell/allied signal) turbochargers will not last long.. please. as these are the same center sections used by precision turbo, and turbonetics to name just 2 of the many that use garrett chra's with their own housings

So Harry uses them, and Turbonetics use them, but they are both over $200.00 more than yours. Why is this? Do they not add anything? Do they not install a 360 thrust and re-balance?

and as far as honda guys doing only 8lbs on these, i have a guy in california running our t3/to4e .63 a/r stg 3 turbine wheel/60 trim on 1.5 bar putting 415whp.(been running that for about 8 months with no problems.)

So, there is a guy running a non 360 thrust at 1.5 bar. I think this is the exception, not the rule ? Years ago, I sold a few like yours without the 360 thrust, except we machined the 5 bolt ford t3 housing for the CHRA. All failed within one month of running 20 plus PSI. I would not speak here unless I had this type of experience. Many other vendors feel the same way, they are just smart unlike me and stay out of the confrontation!

I have never put your business down here, so make sure you read carefully before you post anything stating that I did. I just said that your turbos have there place, but not on DSM's that want to run 20 plus PSI..... I have no beef with you at all......

So, how do you take the turbo apart, install a $60 thrust bearing, balance it, reassemble for $75.00 ?

Regards

Mike Huml

 

[GRNDSM]

>we offer the 360 degree thrust bearing option for only $75 more..
>making the total price $624 shipped.

That is great...

But my question is: why would you even offer 270 deg. thrust bearing for high boost application in the first place?

Leon
RR

 

[CHEAPTURBO]

im not going to keep going back and forth, this is my last reply to this thread.

So Harry uses them, and Turbonetics use them, but they are both over $200.00 more than yours. Why is this? Do they not add anything? Do they not install a 360 thrust and re-balance?

in noway did i say that they are not adding a 360 degree thrust or rebalancing. but, we have this option for $75 more.. i said they are using all garrett parts except the housings to create their turbochargers.

So, there is a guy running a non 360 thrust at 1.5 bar. I think this is the exception, not the rule ? Years ago, I sold a few like yours without the 360 thrust, except we machined the 5 bolt ford t3 housing for the CHRA. All failed within one month of running 20 plus PSI.

what failed on them? a properly sized and oiled turbocharger should not fail from just running 20lbs.. even with the 270 degree. also, the ford 5bolt style housings fit these CHRA's without machining, when ordered to fit the proper turbine wheel.

edit: the main causes for failure that we see is lack of compressor inlet filter, poor compressor inlet filter, and poor oiling conditions(bad drain, contamination...) very seldom do we see any rebuilds due to thrust problems

I have never put your business down here, so make sure you read carefully before you post anything stating that I did. I just said that your turbos have there place, but not on DSM's that want to run 20 plus PSI..... I have no beef with you at all...

stating that "you can sell the same JUNK" is not putting my business down, your right. you are putting garrett down.

we understand that some people are very mad at us and a few others who have made turbocharging your vehicle more affordable. we have not compromised any of the garrett quality as these are the same turbos that mid last year people were selling for $675+, no different..

and i also have no beef with you either..

So, how do you take the turbo apart, install a $60 thrust bearing, balance it, reassemble for $75.00 ?

you know there is a very easy smart ass remark that could have been made to answer this, but i will answer it honestly. we do not charge the outrageous amounts of money for the same process' or parts that others would.
in all honesty to change a thrust bearing and rebalance does not take all that much time... and the price for the 360degree thrust bearings when bought in large quantities are very reasonable.

on a side note: we have never targeted the dsm market, just like i told ben we would never do. i think our customer service and pricing speaks for itself.

That is great...

But my question is: why would you even offer 270 deg. thrust bearing for high boost application in the first place?

Leon
RR

most of the garrett turbochargers come from the factory with the 270degree thrust, we offer them as they come from the factory and the with 360degree thrust option. as far as the 360 degree thrust option goes, we recommend that it will help disburse the thrust load on the entire shaft and should be used on anything over 23-25lbs of boost.
the main reason we offer the 270degree thrust is that most of our customers will not be pushing more than 18lbs on average. but, with the correct compressor sizing, for example 18lbs on a 60 trim .60 a/r will equal ~22-24 lbs on a 50 trim .60 a/r in volume.

thanks for the space
ken

 

[spider2042]

will the gt28 bolt on to my 2 gen or will i have to buy a kit for it

 

[Booster2k]

"they dont have the turbo I want (t3/t4 50 trim .48)"

They do, give them a call.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

I have been convinced - instead of ordering my turbo in kit form from dsm motorsports, I will be buying the pieces individually... the turbo and wastegate will come from cheapturbos.com

good job ken, knowing your #### convinced me.

 

[Z1500]

Kenny,
3 days and counting

Kevin
www.agpturbo.com

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Slowboy


Guys, the bad thing is... They could spend $300 more and get the real deal ( to4e 60 trim, $795-850 with 360 thrust )....

But we will charge them $300.00 plus parts to rebuild it once they learn there lesson.

So, which one will be cheaper now?

Regards

Mike Huml

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