Cams are in!!!!!!!

[turboglenn]

Since my cam thread was hijacked, i'll start this one to outline the cam install and tune, with dyuno results.

My cams came today, i gathered up all things i thought i'd need (all gaskets, t-belt, and the rest of the usually stuff when tearing into a motor - remember i did a BSE tonight too!) I started at 6-6:30 PM, just finished at about 1:30 and cleaned up.

Here's a list of what was accomplished tonight, in the rain, temps in the 30's (down to 22 by the finish) and in the dark.

Cams - DKS - FFWD 264/272 - installed at "straight up"

Balance shafts eliminated, my last short block had it done and i just missed that faster spin up of the motor.

Installed "3g" or "big hole" lifters..whatever you prefer to call them.. i had still been happy on the old style, i would just swap out noisy one's using about 5 heads worth and finally picked 16 good and quiet ones. But Darren at FFWD encouraged me to step up and put the big hole ones back in. We'll see how long before i go back to the old style

New front cover gaskets, and all seals and the gaskets to the filter housing and oil pick up tube were removed cleaned and replaced

Oil Pan and turbo return line gaskets

Put the whole car back together and adjusted belts - she was pretty far torn down around 9 PM.

30-0in/hg to 0-30 psi boost gauge - previous was -30 - +20 anything over 20 was monitored on laptop through haltech.

All the gasket surfaces were cleaned to almost like they were new, used some copper spray on 90% of the gaskets and some orange RTV in a few spots and some high temp gasket sealer on the rest

Hopefully this time the pan won't leak ( but i doubt that, it IS a mitsubishi )

Turned the motor over by hand a few times, made sure the marks stayed lined up and that no valves were hitting pistons.

I didn't get to do a baseline pull on the dyno because they couldn't get me in untill wednesday and i have a dentist appointment and several business meetings that day. My alcohol kit should be here tomorrow and then hopefully no later than this weekend i'll get it dyno'd with the new cams at the same boost to get a rough estimate of the power change ( it hasn't been dyno's in a couple of years and i was making around 360'ish at the same boost ) Then i'm going to crank it up and print out a few pulls on alky and without it, at 24 and hopefully 26 PSI if there's no detonation.


The only thing i have left to do is go to my shop in the AM and grab a 3/8th's inch torque wrench to tighten the cam caps. I guestimated everything else, but just can't bring myself to do the cam caps judging the torque by feel. I'll grab the snap on and be in business by 11AM when the alky system should show :woot I can't wait to get to start her up in the morning, i can already anticipate teh slight lope and new and improved power band.

I'm just going to have to cover my face and duck while the thing clacks like a can of rocks while the lifters are waiting to pump up

 

[SOADweskey]

I look forward to seeing the dyno results.

 

[absolute_DSM]

Cant wait to see when you get it tuned with your new cams. And Im sure you wont be disappointed with the "3g lifters."

Youve really been waiting for that alky kit huh?

 

[turboglenn]

Cant wait to see when you get it tuned with your new cams. And I'm sure you wont be disappointed with the "3g lifters."

You've really been waiting for that alky kit huh?

I'm dying ot get it tuned and dyno'd as for the alky..it's coming UPS waiting is what brown does for me..

Today i saw that it was at the Omaha hub @ 7:45 AM today when i checked the tracking, so i almost went and picked it up as i do most of the stuff that comes through UPS. But i gave them the benefit of the doubt and figured they'd get it to me today as well...WRONG..they said "f*&% your alcohol injection cracka...." and left it there. <--- the "quoted" line is referencing the chappells show episode about Rick James and the couch.

I absolutely HATE UPS from my years spent managing a shipping Dept of a nationwide automotive parts supplier, so i cringe when a vendor wont ship to me via regular mail

My next door neighbor works there i should have him bring it home at noon, instead of waiting for the actual delivery driver to bring it somewhere between 5 and 8 PM...UPS is SO so disappointing and expensive too....

Please excuse the following rant:
I promise 3 day shipping on the motorcycle parts i make ( 12 bars for those that know ) and it usually cost about 13-15 dollars for 7 lbs to go anywhere in this country in 3 days or less(priority). One time i missed the post office because i woke up late on Saturday and went to take the same EXACT package(i even custom cut my own boxes to make them as small and durable as i can)but i take it to UPS and..... The result was 47 dollars to get it there between 3 and 5 days guaranteed HAHAHA..NEVER..even the customer was cool and waited for me to ship Monday.

 

[turboglenn]

IT's a good thing i got them done last night. TOday i wake up to snow and temps in the negatives with 45 MPH wind gusts WTF

I still have to torque the cam caps, install the valve cover and get a new PCV hose ( or make one) THEN i can start it and hopefully it can wait for a warmer day to be tuned

Doesn't look like i'm installing meth injection today unless i go over and start heating the shop now. I'm riding down there to get my 3/8 torque wrench, who knows maybe i'lll fire up the heater and do that when it gets here too! Supposed to dyno tomorrow, but i got too many other plans

 

[absolute_DSM]

IT's a good thing i got them done last night. TOday i wake up to snow and temps in the negatives with 45 MPH wind gusts WTF

Aint it crazy? It dropped like 30 degrees in a few hours then decided to gust the wind all day and night. Ugh, the midwest....

 

[turboglenn]

Aint it crazy? It dropped like 30 degrees in a few hours then decided to gust the wind all day and night. Ugh, the midwest....

FOr real, i installed my alky injection the next day (yesterday), and had major weather related issues.

I assembled and tested the kit indoors with water only, then diss-assembled it in larger portions to put in the car. I blew most of the water out of the lines but it wasn't enough, by the time i put the lines in the car (last) and hooked it up to test, the water had frozen the lines shut and i couldn't use or test it. So today,i drove to my shop, jacked the car up, put a propane heater under it and used a long thin piece of wire i use on the same type of lines in my pneumatic projects and cleared the line of the ice . I immediately ran alky through it to avoid re-freezing as soon as i start driving. I hope it stays working, i haven't' tuned for my cams yet (just added 8% fuel to the entire WOT range) and then took some fuel out at idle to make the cams idle happily.

I have the relay to where i can here it kick and I'm using the Haltech to turn it on and off. I tell you one thing...the cams alone make this thing as fast at 16 PSI as it was at 19-20 ( butt dyno'd anyway) then when the alcohol kicks in it feels like a small shot of nitrous, i can feel the power pick up a good deal when the alky comes on..All in all, it's been a cold, finger busting clothes ruining and driveway oil mess that looks like the Exxon Valdees was here couple of days But I'm as happy as can be, now i just got to get to my dyno session on Friday and tune it in!

Bad thing is my dentist moved my appointment from today till Friday at 11, my dyno time is at 1 and my dentist is an hour away... do the math on that one.. I'm gonna be driving like a maniac to get to the dyno in time

 

[90laserRSfwd]

I say DYNO over DENTIST!!! On a serious note, I'm glad to see that you got them in, can't wait to see some numbers. Got a feeling you'll be updating the profile soon....

 

[gsxtasy]

Dude you were out workin in this shit weather?!? I actually started puttin my cams in last weekend when it was nice out, but decided i am gonna replace the valve seals while I'm in there, had to order that fancy spring compressor and seals. You should come down and finish it for me. O and you can install my meth kit too. Great minds think alike i guess.

 

[GVR4592]

Dude you were out workin in this shit weather?!? I actually started puttin my cams in last weekend when it was nice out, but decided i am gonna replace the valve seals while I'm in there, had to order that fancy spring compressor and seals. You should come down and finish it for me. O and you can install my meth kit too. Great minds think alike i guess.

Which spring compressor did you order?

 

[gsxtasy]

Which spring compressor did you order?

The snap-on clone off ebay. I think it ended up costing like $71 shipped.

 

[GVR4592]

Thanks I'll check it out.

 

[turboglenn]

Dude you were out workin in this shit weather?!? I actually started puttin my cams in last weekend when it was nice out, but decided i am gonna replace the valve seals while I'm in there, had to order that fancy spring compressor and seals. You should come down and finish it for me. O and you can install my meth kit too. Great minds think alike i guess.

Hell, gimme a call, maybe i can roll out there one day this coming week and help you get finished. The methi install was a breeze, had i known how easy it was i wouldn't have wuoted so high on the labor when some one asked about it. I scared them away with ofering to tune a SAFC after installing and setting up thier meth kit for 150-200 bucks. still cheap IMHO.

But if i come out there, all i ask in return is to drive my car how i need it driven while i lay down the base tune, and YES you get to (have to) run her wide open while i watch AFR's and tune to what i'm hoping becomes ~425 streetable horsies, that is if i don't get to the dyno before i come out there oh, and let me look at the compressor so i can copy it when i get home well, i guess i'll get to see it either way if i help you finish.sorry it's been a long day

 

[gsxtasy]

Yeah man, I'll drive that shit for ya, ive never driven a GST. I just ordered the compressor on tuesday, so it probably wont be here til the end of the week, along with the seals. I'll give you a call if it shows up sometime.

Edit: I lost my other phone with your number, PM me. Hell, i'll just let you use the spring compressor if you need it. If you help me tune my POS.

 

[turboglenn]

Yeah man, I'll drive that shit for ya, ive never driven a GST. I just ordered the compressor on tuesday, so it probably wont be here til the end of the week, along with the seals. I'll give you a call if it shows up sometime.

Edit: I lost my other phone with your number, PM me. Hell, i'll just let you use the spring compressor if you need it. If you help me tune my POS.

Pm'd you my #, I go to the dentist friday morning in fremont at 11, then i have to be back in omaha by 1 pm for the dyno. You're welcome to come to the dyno tune if you dont' have anythign going on that day.

let me know

 

[gsxtasy]

Damn! I would love to, but i have class on friday. I just checked UPS and my compressor wont be here til monday, let me know if sometime next week you can get free or something? Idk, anyway good luck at the dyno, can't wait to see the numbers!

 

[turboglenn]

Damn! I would love to, but i have class on friday. I just checked UPS and my compressor wont be here til monday, let me know if sometime next week you can get free or something? Idk, anyway good luck at the dyno, can't wait to see the numbers!

That sucks you can't make it, but no worries. I'm praying the numbers are good, last summer it seemed like something weird happened and i lost a ton of power, but it was unsusually hot and humid here in omaha, but the compresion and leakdown tested out fine and a lot of other things like boost leaks and Sh*T are fixed and it is feeling better than it EVER had on the street with pump gas in the past, even at lower boosts after all the work i put in her this winter, so we will see what the dyno has to say..I'm hoping for a minimum of 405 @ 23 PSI on pump with meth injection during the hot summer months, i'm sure i can pull that off in the cold nebraska winters, but i want that in teh dead of a nebraska summer and i know you can relate to that.

 

[90laserRSfwd]

Don't forget to take a video camera to the dyno!

 

[turboglenn]

Don't forget to take a video camera to the dyno!

My camera broke on a stunt filming session this past summer, and i just don't have the cash to replace it. (honestly it was buy that or the cams) I'll see if i can borrow a miniDV from a friend for the pulls.

ON another note, I'm finally getting a tune on these cams and WOW the power is really coming out now! I started out with -5* timing across the board (no knock sensor) and added 8% fuel. Well that was no where near enough fuel for the cams i was tuning 8 PSI and it was starting to feel like 16 use to, then as i tuned further and further ( i'm up to 18 PSI) i just keep gaining power. I hope i don't run short of injector on the dyno working my way up to 24 PSI.

I have the alky coming in right at 15 PSI, I've heard a lot about it bogging the car out with a large jet at lower boost and RPM's, so i make sure the motor is spun up and cranking air before i bring it on. I'm running the M7 nozzle on the alky, and when it kicks in i go from mid 11's on AFR to roughly 10.8:1 at 18 PSI.. everywhere there's no alky running she's dialed to 11:5'ish (11.2 - 11.8 hard to get it fine tuned on the street when you step on the gas at 70 and all the sudden you're doing a LOT more than that) fearing a ticket I haven't done too much high speed 4th gear pulls, i had to at least use 3rd for most of it so i could hook up though.

Now i know why i could feel the alky kick in the past few days though, i was LEAN ..pretty badly too, it was needing the meth for fuel just to run on at that point, now i don't feel it kick in, i just hear the relay click in the passenger floorboard.

I will admit, 8 PSI @ 12.5:1 AFR was pulling insanely hard, but i richened it up to 11.5:1 to be safe and lost a few ponies according to the butt dyno. Even at 14 PSI i could feel a LOT more power at a leaner AFR with retarded timing, I was at 15* advance by redline, as low as 10 in some other detonation prone areas (around 4k) and she was pulling hard! Again at near 12.5:1 ratios (before the alky ever even comes on though too). but with everything up to 18psi now in the 11.5 area with the cells up to 30psi estimated for richness and filled in, it should be a good day tomorrow at the dyno! I'll see if i can gain a bit more power by leaning her out or adding timing as long as time permits, but mainly i just want all AFR's safe and tuned to 24 PSI. I'll report back tomorrow on the results. My timing is back to it's old settings now pulling 20 by redline, so we'll see how that feels when i go to the store later.

Side note # 2: The hardest part of tuning is always the idle and keeping it from stalling, but man i had to make some major adjustments to get the idle surging out after the cam install. But i've got it out for the most part now and everything is performing well, no more stalling, no more way up and down idle; just a slight fluctuation from time to time. okay, I'm really done now