Beware of fake Apexi turbo timers

[Slowboy]

The reason that it's shitty is the fact that they're using APEX Integration's logo and brand image to make money. If they branded it as their own unit, then it'd be fine.

A lot of folks are getting items they expect to have APEX's backing on, and finding out that they don't get it.

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Mike Huml

 

[huafist]

if businesses cant handle people copy their shit, then they shouldnt in the business world. its going to happen no matter how hard u try to stop it. look at bill gates, he hes a low life who copied from apple. look at him now. im not saying ripping companies is right, but its going to happen. i bet u guys have knock offs in your house and u dont even know about it. sadly, this is the world we live in.

Converse of this, using the Microsoft example - observe how rabidly they assault those who they even think *MIGHT* copy a single line of code from one of their products.

 

[kanderson111]

Converse of this, using the Microsoft example - observe how rabidly they assault those who they even think *MIGHT* copy a single line of code from one of their products.

And if you were Microsoft you would do exactly the same thing. They have produced a superior product that nothing can hold a candle to and they would like to keep it that way.

As far as the Apex'i turbo timer goes, I'm sure they will sue this companies ass off if they can get to them. Unfortunately most of the junk imitations are produced in China and are hard to track.

 

[mavisky]

And if you were Microsoft you would do exactly the same thing. They have produced a superior product that nothing can hold a candle to and they would like to keep it that way.

As far as the Apex'i turbo timer goes, I'm sure they will sue this companies ass off if they can get to them. Unfortunately most of the junk imitations are produced in China and are hard to track.

That's the whole problem. Communist China couldn't care less about our laws and regulations concering business. Hell look at the copes they make of other car companies cars. Some of them are nearly direct copies. I'm not talking matchbox here, I'm talking full fledged automobiles with parts that would bolt on and work on the cars they were copied from.

 

[huafist]

And if you were Microsoft you would do exactly the same thing. They have produced a superior product that nothing can hold a candle to and they would like to keep it that way.

I would, but not quite as vigorously as they do - that's another debate all together however. I could also argue with this to a point. I don't believe they've produced a superior product - they've just got a smarter marketing team. Once again though, this isn't entirely a bad thing - its' capitalism at work. I'm not gonna get into an economics squabble over this though.

As far as the Apex'i turbo timer goes, I'm sure they will sue this companies ass off if they can get to them. Unfortunately most of the junk imitations are produced in China and are hard to track.

I hope they do. The problem is though, that they can't do much about the chinese doing it. The communists don't really care much about our laws.

 

[diambo4life]

I absoulutly agree with clipise. That is absoulutly true. As for diambo4life, it s wrong to walk around looking like me, but i can tell why you would want to. read this entire thread before you post, cause if you did you would never had posted that. Stealing someone s personal identity has nothing to do with this thread what so ever. I think clipise put it the best anyone could. Right on DSMer!!!

Do you have rocks for brains? That was an analogy. Let me break it down into a more comprehensible statement. The impostor APEXi's timers are not the real deal. That's the POINT I am trying to make here. They are trying to pass off as genuine APEXi products (using APEXi's trademarked and copyrighted name/image/likeness) which they ARE NOT. CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE FACT????????

It's one thing to bring out YOUR OWN product under YOUR OWN name to compete with APEXi, but this is not the case here. They are selling their items using someone else's identity. Maybe you should re-read the entire thread before you make another clueless post.

 

[JDNSBR]

There is always going to be someone who has owned a 4g63 longer, worked on one before you, saw one before you, thought about one before you, blah blah blah....

Anyways, yes I agree the fake Apexi products are an outrage. Especially to the consumer who thinks he is buying another product. Is this fair? Of course not. However, the consumer can protect his or herself by purchasing their product straight from Apexi or an Apexi dealer. When someone buys a product of E-bay which is a supposed Apexi product and later finds out it isn't and doesn't work properly, I'm sorry. I shed no tears for you. This is however just my personal opinion.

 

[EvolvingGST]

What does any of this have to do with technical related topics? It used too, but now it's a pissing contest.
Move this to PM's.
Jon, I completely agree.
Mr4G, look at Jon's posts. This is how to correctly respond when running (or trying to run) a business.

I can piss further, why wasnt I invited?

Back to the topic at hand. The whole point of this thread no matter how you disagree with it. IT IS NOT OK to make a product and label it the same. Because in the end it simply isnt. And as other people have said, if I buy a Apex'i product I want a F*ing Apex'i product.

Now if they called themselves OBX and makes a knock off, then I bought a OBX replica of Apex'i or any other company. That is fine, it was labeled differently so I know I was an informed consumer.

And the other problem with the knock off products as 90blacktsiawd, well what year does this manifold fit? There is the hundred dollar question, ### we all know 1G and 2G have different intake manifolds. And as I remember from my 3000gt VR4 the pellum doesn't look the same. But as they advertised they all fit the same? WTF

But whatever, if you want to buy knock offs thats cool. Like I like some of the OBX stuff, but i dont know if performs as well as the apex or greddy products ect ect. but you get what you pay for

 

[suicidal2af]

Let's compare say a $600 Greddy catback to a $300 ebay catback. Both are mandrel bent, both make good hp, both are shiny. So for that it looks like the ebay one is a much better deal, right? What about fitment, I can guarantee you that every Greddy catback will fit perfectly, include every nut bolt and hanger you need and will be nicely packaged and shipped so it doesn't show up at your door all ####ed up. Which one came out first? If it's for a new car I can almost guarantee you the Greddy came out first, the ripoff company bought one and based theirs on Greddy's design work. Which one will make the most hp? I'd almost guarantee you that the more expensive one will make a little more hp, now it might not be much, but I bet it will. What about testing? You think that ebay catback will pass emissions in Cali? I bet that Greddy will. Remember that cool import event that you went to last month? Who put forth the cash for the winners of the drag racing? Greddy or that ebay company?

Yeah, let's compare them. My $300 ebay catback came with all hangers, bolts, gaskets, everything necessary to bolt it up to cat or downpipe of my choice. The install was just as easy as every other install I've ever done. It came packaged in bubblewrap, with packing peanuts around the box, inside another box filled with packing peanuts.

Based it on GReddy's design work? If you really wanna be technical, GReddy based theirs on Mitsubishi's. Which will make more power? Actually, the ebay special probably will, since it has the same diameter pipe, one less resonator, the same bends, and a less restrictive muffler. Testing? Bolts up perfect. Emissions? Catback doesn't affect emissions - it's a long piece of pipe.

That cool import event? Yeah, GReddy put up lots of money. It's called advertising. They also, in turn, plastered their stickers and decals all over everything. In fact, more than likely, they also *sold* their decals there for $10-$50 a piece. There's also a good chance they had a booth setup taking orders for their overpriced products.

The ebay one? Price and quality are what sells it -- not advertisements, or multi-million dollar advertising campaigns and product placement in hideous movies, which *you* pay for when you overpay for one of their catbacks.

The ebay one also retains the stock routing *over* the suspension, which means you'll never see one of those "i scraped the shit out of my exhaust" threads from me.

How about that fancy GReddy MBC? My $10 home-depot performance parts special does the exact same thing for $190 less. How about the Profec B? Wret made a homemade EBC that not only controls his boost, but also functions as his water injection controller for roughly 80 bucks, iirc. Where's the extra $220 for the GReddy unit come into play?

Would you run an MHI TD05H-18G, or a GReddy 18G(which will run you, what, $400 more)?

99.8% of the time, what you pay for in car parts is 80% profit. These guys making their own shit and selling it at half the cost is capitalism at its finest. Equal quality product for less -- sometimes greater quality. And even if it's a near-clone of an existing product, that's capitalism for you.

In summary: parts cost what they do not because of the cost to the manufacturer, but because historically, we will pay the prices they demand.

 

[kottyking]

Yea but they stole the name and are putting out a crappy product w/ THEIR name. Thats what they are pissed about.

 

[suicidal2af]

Yea but they stole the name and are putting out a crappy product w/ THEIR name. Thats what they are pissed about.

That's wrong, illegal, and immoral.

However, other posters in this thread are badmouthing EVERY "clone" product.

 

[mavisky]

Christ I thought this discussion ended once already.

 

[Grescht]

hey, i got a turbo timer on ebay for twenty bucks. It doesn't boast about being any name brand or anything and it works great for what it's for. It stays hidden in the dash and noone ever knows why my car idles after I walk away.


Edit: I am all for quality parts, but i'm not all for buying the "greddy" name. or the "apexi" name. You can get a local shop with 3 inch pipe and a mandrel bender to make an exhaust that fits perfectly for you. and if you did some research, you could probably make a better part. my .02

 

[big_d]

Christ I thought this discussion ended once already.

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[kawgomoo]

A water-cooled turbo has no earthly use for a turbo timer, real or counterfeit.

Wow..and to think you are a mod.

Why does it matter if the turbo is water cooled or not?

The problem with a turbo is heat soak. Yes, the thing actually gets HOTTER after you shut down the engine.

Turbos contain a very small amount of oil, as im sure we all know.

Turbo timers in general are crap, and not a necessity. But, if you are the type to drive to work on teh interstate, pull into the parking lot and run inside cause you are late the timer has a very real job to do.

By letting the motor idle for a few minutes you are letting everything come down in temp. Circulate water through the cooling system, letting the fans run etc. You are pulling heat out of the motor during this time.

If you just shut it down, there is nowhere for the heat to go. So yes you will end up coking your turbo quicker in a car you dont cool down vs one you do.

You see turbos use the FLOW of oil and/or coolant to cool themselves off. Once the flow stops so does the cooling. Now all that heat from your exhaust manifold, turbo exhaust housing etc has chance to migrate into the now uncooled center section of the turbo.

So please, tell me again why a turbo timer has no place on a water cooled turbo?

Turbo timers, reguardless of brand are just a delay to keep the main relay energized once the key is removed. You can just sit in your car and let it come down in temp with the exact same results.

However to say cooling down the engine in your car has no point. Well, that is just ignorant.

Coolant is stablized at about 195 degrees...but think of all the parts of your engine that get well over that temp while operating. They are ALL related to the exhaust/turbo system. Which is why we call them Turbo Timers and not Engine Timers.

You are giving all the cast iron shit under the hood time to normalize its temp...come DOWN to 200 ish degrees where it wont harm the oil just sitting in the turbo baking.

 

[DSM Jeff]

This thread is 4 years old.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

if the knock off works just as well in the aspect of turbo timing, i'd buy it for 50 bucks. It isnt really that smart to tune off the o2 volts displayed. Its a turbo timer and as long as it does the job, its ok in my book.

Ethics. You have none.