500hp 2g and smog

[KlowdDragon]

Is it possible to get a 2g to break 500hp and still pass smog, caus that was gonna be my goal with the gsx when i get it but i just dont like the idea of swapping lots of parts for smog, if this isnt possible then what is a more reasonal hp that can pass smog.

 

[2gGSX]

since you're in california...and seeing how ### CARB is..
you're screwed jk you should ask someone with more experience..since i can get by in missouri by "passing" emissions

 

[eclipsegsx9797]

yes very easy

 

[2gGSX]

$$$

 

[KlowdDragon]

hmm, o well, its cool, i just had the 500hp as a fantasy goal, like i could have afforded it anywayz, i thinkin more towards 350 to 400, maybe 450 if for some reason i need the extra power. So a 20g is legal right, caus i got the idea that the t3/t4 wasnt legal, and if i use an external wastegate on the 20g does that automatically make it illegal? thanks

 

[Wheels-a-turnin]

are you asking 500awhp or crank horsepower??>????

 

[2gGSX]

external wastegates are illegal for street use, yes

 

[Eclipse96Ryder]

the only thing u would have to swap out would be ur exhaust....and maybe even just ur cat.

 

[DSMJim]

Would never happen. It's against the law to put an older motor into a newer car. To make 500whp your going to need a 1G motor. Thats older than your 2G motor so that makes it illegal right away technically.

Second to make that type of power the parts you would need would never be compatiable with CARB and you would never pass. You would literally have to pull your 500hp motor and all reltaed parts and drop back in the stock motor and related parts and go to get smogged. Never mind changing just the exhaust, your pullin the motor.

 

[jt1583]

aren't external gates legal if they are plummed back into the exhaust before the cat?

 

[brryder]

It's against the law to put an older motor into a newer car. To make 500whp your going to need a 1G motor

I hope you are being sarcastic.. You could build a 2g motor just like you can build a 1g motor. The only problem that you could have with the 2g is the over-rated crank-walk.

 

[Chargedawd]

It's against the law to put an older motor into a newer car. To make 500whp your going to need a 1G motor. Thats older than your 2G motor so that makes it illegal right away technically.

That is such a wrong statement. You can certainly put a 6 bolt in any 7 bolt car and not be breaking any laws.

External gates are only illegal if the dump to the atmosphere, if you have it routed back in your fine.

 

[KlowdDragon]

hmm, well i'll just have to see what i can do when the time comes then, my aunt's bf is a um, smog guy, not sure what you call him, but he can help me pass on small stuff, but if its something really big, im not sure if he'll be able to help me pass as easy, but i was just thinkin and i dont really want even 450hp anyway, i think 400 will be more than enuf to be the pants off of the hondas around here, and thats all i really want, plus this is gonna be my daily driver, so i dont want that much done to the engine that would make it more of a track car, but i got all the answers i needed, so if an admin wants to close thread its coo wit me, thanks

 

[thekellbeast]

I'm pretty sure you can put any engine into any car, as long as it passes emmisions for both the year of the car, and the year of the engine. Or maybe that's for classic (30 + year old) vehicles.

 

[96TSi_Chris]

Switching motors is fine, but w/ 500+ hp, your going to need to swap a few things out b4 you get smogged. More then likely your external wastegate and def putting the cat back on. Besides that, you should have some sort of fuel management system by that time, so it shouldnt be too bad getting it to pass inspection.

 

[DSMJim]

That is such a wrong statement. You can certainly put a 6 bolt in any 7 bolt car and not be breaking any laws.

External gates are only illegal if the dump to the atmosphere, if you have it routed back in your fine.

Check your local laws carefully. I have read them in three provinces I have lived in here in Canada and it's illegal to put a motor from an older car into a new one.

The reason is emissions laws and your putting a motor with older emissions controls into a new car. Even if you can make it pass for a once every two years sniffer test, it's genearlly a higher polluting engine according to emissions people.

It's not that my statement is wrong, it just depends how it applies to where you live. Just beacuse you ASSUME you can do it though it's the same, technically it MAY be illegal in your area. If you have emissions testing in your state/province, I'll take a guess that it's illegal mainly because of emissions regulations and how they change year to year. Look it up you may be surprised. I konw many people here in Ontario just ASSUME it's ok and it's not. It is technically illegal to go even one model year older here. It must be the same model year or newer. Good thing is nobody can really tell it's an older motor so it doesn't really matter generally. JDM engines are also illegal in some areas because many of them don't have EGR valves and removing any type of emissions equipment is generally illegal in emissions controled areas as well.

And brryder many many many built 7 bolts die a very early crankwalk death. Why do you think most major DSM tuners will not even touch them anymore or at all. When 7 bolt is built they love to crank walk right away. I remember reading about one guy who bought a built 7 bolt from extreme and it crankwalked about 3000 miles after he got it and they refused to warranty it saying its a 7 bolt and no guarantees. Magnus wont even touch them. Really your just playing with fire trying to build one. I have a 7 bolt fully stock and have gone pretty fast on it. I'm building a 6 bolt now for my car and wouldn't even consider building my 7 bolt. It's totally crankwalk free and measures completly in spec too and I wont even consider it as the chance is not worth the hassle.

 

[Defiant]

Is it possible to get a 2g to break 500hp and still pass smog,

Nope.

You might be able to get smogged if you can find a dirty hookup. But if you do, don't breathe a word of it.

 

[EvolvingGST]

Hehe you are one of the severe cases of paraniod people... Actually many people build up 7 bolts... the key is not to build the internals till your car blow up and then switch to a 6 bolt... And you can do everything in a 6 bolt that you can do with a 7 bolt... The first 10 second FWD had a built 7 bolt ... It was a 95 eclipse GST... BTW Evolution Lancers are 7 bolts OH NO THEY WILL WALK!!! hahaha paraniod people.

Check your local laws carefully. I have read them in three provinces I have lived in here in Canada and it's illegal to put a motor from an older car into a new one.

The reason is emissions laws and your putting a motor with older emissions controls into a new car. Even if you can make it pass for a once every two years sniffer test, it's genearlly a higher polluting engine according to emissions people.

It's not that my statement is wrong, it just depends how it applies to where you live. Just beacuse you ASSUME you can do it though it's the same, technically it MAY be illegal in your area. If you have emissions testing in your state/province, I'll take a guess that it's illegal mainly because of emissions regulations and how they change year to year. Look it up you may be surprised. I konw many people here in Ontario just ASSUME it's ok and it's not. It is technically illegal to go even one model year older here. It must be the same model year or newer. Good thing is nobody can really tell it's an older motor so it doesn't really matter generally. JDM engines are also illegal in some areas because many of them don't have EGR valves and removing any type of emissions equipment is generally illegal in emissions controled areas as well.

And brryder many many many built 7 bolts die a very early crankwalk death. Why do you think most major DSM tuners will not even touch them anymore or at all. When 7 bolt is built they love to crank walk right away. I remember reading about one guy who bought a built 7 bolt from extreme and it crankwalked about 3000 miles after he got it and they refused to warranty it saying its a 7 bolt and no guarantees. Magnus wont even touch them. Really your just playing with fire trying to build one. I have a 7 bolt fully stock and have gone pretty fast on it. I'm building a 6 bolt now for my car and wouldn't even consider building my 7 bolt. It's totally crankwalk free and measures completly in spec too and I wont even consider it as the chance is not worth the hassle.

 

[otofmyway6]

Hehe you are one of the severe cases of paraniod people... Actually many people build up 7 bolts... the key is not to build the internals till your car blow up and then switch to a 6 bolt... And you can do everything in a 6 bolt that you can do with a 7 bolt... The first 10 second FWD had a built 7 bolt ... It was a 95 eclipse GST... BTW Evolution Lancers are 7 bolts OH NO THEY WILL WALK!!! hahaha paraniod people.

the 7 bolt motor crankwalks easily not because its 7 bolt, but because when they manufactured these motors, there was low quality control in the stroke of the crank...please correct me if im wrong

 

[EvolvingGST]

the 7 bolt motor crankwalks easily not because its 7 bolt, but because when they manufactured these motors, there was low quality control in the stroke of the crank...please correct me if im wrong

Thank you, I already knew that... But people don't and they assume that all 7 bolt motors walk... I was being sarcastic since most people think that 7 bolt motors walk. It was even said that it could be due to a weak crank or even oil squirters... Its been theorized what it could be but never an answer... and the answer was never the fact that it had 7 bolt tranny products ^^;;

Anyways... There is NO WAY for a 500 hp car to pass emissions... I live in Mass I know how it is and you have it worse than me...

 

[Chargedawd]

If it was illegal to put in an older motor into your, you are telling me that junkyards are not selling 1 year old motor than someone has? Thats just crazy, honestly. If you were to swap out a 6 bolt in a 2g or even a newer 1g, the emmisions are the same for the 1g and just a little finess for a 2g. Maybe in Canada things are more strict. But if that were the case then alot of people have ilegally changed there motors.

 

[Twizzle]

If it was illegal to put in an older motor into your, you are telling me that junkyards are not selling 1 year old motor than someone has? Thats just crazy, honestly. If you were to swap out a 6 bolt in a 2g or even a newer 1g, the emmisions are the same for the 1g and just a little finess for a 2g. Maybe in Canada things are more strict. But if that were the case then alot of people have ilegally changed there motors.

just a question, how can they tell if its a 6bolt in a 2g. in NJ they dont look under the hood, perhaps its something in the ecu? or, no one can make a 2g ecu into a 1g/6bolt? does it even matter?

 

[Thomas91169]

putting a motor that is older than the car youre putting it into is ILLEGAL in cali. while it is illegal, many smog stations might not even notice a 6bolt in a 2g. and if youre making 500hp you need to have some sort of fuel tuning, so you can set it lean to 2500rpm because thats where they test it at, and we all know how much boost is created at 2500rpm's.............

but if youre gonna make a 500hp 2g then smog is the least of your worry's. itll still have to last to smog time comes around. its not gonna be the most reliable car in the world. and dont trip about the c-word(im not gonna say it) only those who are truly paranoid about it get it.

 

[midnght]

just a question, how can they tell if its a 6bolt in a 2g.

I think it would come down to the guy/gal doing the test. If they know anything about the engine they "MIGHT" pick it up. Other than that, it would probly be pretty hard to pick apart an engine unless it was a COMPLETELY different type of layout. Like an LS6 in a FD bay.

 

[ITSME4G63]

man turn the boost all the way down, lean it out with afc, shti theres ways, If you have awd theres less of a worry since they only have 1 roller instead of 2 to put your car on, I have no cat, I have a 3" turbo back with a small16g and I was running pig rich at the time of my test and I passed with flying colors.