420A to 4G63t conversion again.

[injector]

ok let me start by saying this:

1. if you are going to post anything like " it's not worth it", "don't bother", or "sell it and buy as GSt" then i recomend you don't, because i don't give a damn what anyone says i'm still going to do it, plus my other thread got closed because that's all people keep posting.


now on to business, i got a couple questions before i start the swap.

1. can i use an AWD tranny in a FWD shell? just without the drive shaft?

2. is the 420A A/C compressor compatible with the 4G63?

2. anyone know where i can get an uncut wiring harness for the 4G63?

 

[airmail96]

now on to business, i got a couple questions before i start the swap.

1. can i use an AWD tranny in a FWD shell? just without the drive shaft?

2. is the 420A A/C compressor compatible with the 4G63?

2. anyone know where i can get an uncut wiring harness for the 4G63?

1. I think others have said yes, you can use the awd tranny without the drive shaft but i think the gearing is shorter. You might just try to find a N/T 5 speed i think it shares close to the same gear ratio. But, i think with both you will run into some problems putting the power to the ground.

2. not sure

3. Check your local junkyard.

 

[WMD]

I would forget about the a/c compressor if i where you. You would have to re-rout the hard lines and put the whole a/c system on the other side of the car. It would be more of a hassel. But I dont think their compatible, but dont quote me on that.

 

[injector]

1. I think others have said yes, you can use the awd tranny without the drive shaft but i think the gearing is shorter. You might just try to find a N/T 5 speed i think it shares close to the same gear ratio. But, i think with both you will run into some problems putting the power to the ground.

i have a tranny from a N/T right now the one that's in the car but i don't know if the bolt pattern is the same, do you know where i can get some pics of the bolt pattern from the 3 trannys?

I would forget about the a/c compressor if i where you. You would have to re-rout the hard lines and put the whole a/c system on the other side of the car. It would be more of a hassel. But I dont think their compatible, but dont quote me on that.

i would BUT i live in florida, i think that about sums it up, plus i'm doing it with my friend who's a expert on a/c systems, so it should be THAT hard, i hope, then again that's the whole point

 

[WMD]

i would BUT i live in florida, i think that about sums it up, plus i'm doing it with my friend who's a expert on a/c systems, so it should be THAT hard, i hope, then again that's the whole point

, I hear ya. My mom and step dad live in huston tx and befor that in florida, so I know its hot down their. But I'm from Wisconsin, and I suffered through it.
But if is your money, hey why not, its a nice luxury to have. It would just be easer to find the lines and to compressor off of a junked gst/x and use a new core. It would save money.

 

[injector]

, I hear ya. My mom and step dad live in huston tx and befor that in florida, so I know its hot down their. But I'm from Wisconsin, and I suffered through it.
But if is your money, hey why not, its a nice luxury to have. It would just be easer to find the lines and to compressor off of a junked gst/x and use a new core. It would save money.

yea good idea i was just thinking about fabing up my own, but it's easier to just goto a junkyrad and get them, thanks

 

[titogs95]

You know I would normally say good luck.

But, if you are interested in a 97-99 Gs-t shell. PM me. We can arrange a deal.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

i have a tranny from a N/T right now the one that's in the car but i don't know if the bolt pattern is the same, do you know where i can get some pics of the bolt pattern from the 3 trannys?

What are we talking about here? airmail96 just said an "N/T" tranny - that's a 1G N/T right? A 420A tranny will not work with the configuration you want. The 4G63 N/T will bolt up though.

The 420A AC compressor will not work with the 4G63... to begin with, like WMD said, it's on the other side of the engine bay. Furthermore, it uses different brackets, belts, etc. The lines might be the same, but I'm not 100% sure about that.

Who needs AC anyway? I live in Florida and all the AC does is take away power away from the crank.

I would look for that harness either in the classifieds here or maybe even on eBay. There was a company I knew of that made custom harnesses to any application you could think of. If I can find their information, I'll post it.

Good luck with everything; I hope it all works out.

 

[laserspeeddemon]

There is a reason that people kept saying to buy a GS-T ect. etc.

With that said I will help in all possible ways.

1) Yes and no.
Yes... You can bolt any tranny into any car if you customed fabbed the SH*T outta it. Now if you install a 4G63, then it will work.
No. If you leave the driveshaft off, the center differential will transfer almost all your power to the free spinning output shaft for the transfer case. It would feel like a car with a slipping clutch.

2)Yes and No.
Again if you custom fabbed it it would work together. But as it sits, the GM A/C compenonets is not directly compatiable with the Mitsubishi componets, on top of that the Condensor is on the OPPOSITE side of the car. So you would have to make custom lines, you would have to mount the Condsenor in some different way. ANd you would need a custom belt to work with the Crank from the 4G63 and the pulley on the GM Condensor.

3)Junk yard would be the best place (as said before)

By they way it's not worth it, don't bother, or sell it and buy as GSt. These cars aren't like old school Muscles cars or Hondas, our motors don't just drop in. You would probably spend $10,000+. I got $50 on this that it will never get done.

One last thing, I HAVE done a N/T to turbo swap, so it's not like I am talking out my a*s, the difference was it was an 1g.

 

[Morphius]

ok let me start by saying this:

1. if you are going to post anything like " it's not worth it", "don't bother", or "sell it and buy as GSt" then i recomend you don't, because i don't give a damn what anyone says i'm still going to do it, plus my other thread got closed because that's all people keep posting.


now on to business, i got a couple questions before i start the swap.

1. can i use an AWD tranny in a FWD shell? just without the drive shaft?

2. is the 420A A/C compressor compatible with the 4G63?

2. anyone know where i can get an uncut wiring harness for the 4G63?

Have you considered going to a SRT-4 powertrain? It'd be more conducive to working, and they have a pretty good aftermarket now. Besides, you'd be starting at around 240hp at the wheels. It's worth considering.

 

[95TalonOwner]

ok let me start by saying this:

1. if you are going to post anything like " it's not worth it", "don't bother", or "sell it and buy as GSt" then i recomend you don't, because i don't give a damn what anyone says i'm still going to do it, plus my other thread got closed because that's all people keep posting.

I think injector actually meant this when he made it the first thing stated in this thread....

By they way it's not worth it, don't bother, or sell it and buy as GSt. These cars aren't like old school Muscles cars or Hondas, our motors don't just drop in. You would probably spend $10,000+. I got $50 on this that it will never get done.

One last thing, I HAVE done a N/T to turbo swap, so it's not like I am talking out my a*s, the difference was it was an 1g.

A 1g N/T is COMPLETELY different than a 2g N/T and should not even be considered when trying to make a comparison.

 

[laserspeeddemon]

A 1g N/T is COMPLETELY different than a 2g N/T and should not even be considered when trying to make a comparison.

Trust me I VERY well know the difference. I have probably been in this game ALOT longer then you. I have been around a 2g with the Turbo 4G63, N/T 420A and the Euro-spec N/T 4G63. I was simply putting some validity to my statement. Swapping out that motor was no cake walk. Once you have done something like thats then you have a leg to stand on.

I will help in anway I can with advice, but at the same time it would be irresponsible of me not to, at least, state the consequences of what he is trying to do.

Back to the Subject. Morphius is on to something.

 

[95TalonOwner]

Trust me I VERY well know the difference. I have probably been in this game ALOT longer then you. I have been around a 2g with the Turbo 4G63, N/T 420A and the Euro-spec N/T 4G63. I was simply putting some validity to my statement. Swapping out that motor was no cake walk. Once you have done something like thats then you have a leg to stand on.

I will help in anway I can with advice, but at the same time it would be irresponsible of me not to, at least, state the consequences of what he is trying to do.

Back to the Subject. Morphius is on to something.

Okay I just wanted to make sure because the last thread that injector made was nothing but people going back and forth, back and forth.

All differences aside, I definately think that Morphius has stumbled upon something that as far as I know no one has done. Maybe the SRT-4 power train route would be better and more unique.

 

[injector]

yea i've been thinking about starting with a bigger powertrain, but i'm not sure yet, the only thing that has held me back from picking up the engine from work and putitng it in is the fact that it'll only have around 210-220hp after all is said and done, when my last car came stock with 260hp, that said, i've been looking at different engines that will fit the engine bay, we have a V6 mustang engine at work i only took a quick look but i want to see if that will fit, i know it would take ALOT of fabbing but i'm still hesitant about the 210hp.

on a side note i do want to than you guys for the constructive critisim and the advice you posted unlike some (note i said some) people in the other thread, whou would just say it's not worth it, with no reason just because,

i'll stay on my engine haunt and i'll let you guys know what happens

 

[Marc91GSX]

yea i've been thinking about starting with a bigger powertrain, but i'm not sure yet, the only thing that has held me back from picking up the engine from work and putitng it in is the fact that it'll only have around 210-220hp after all is said and done, when my last car came stock with 260hp, that said, i've been looking at different engines that will fit the engine bay, we have a V6 mustang engine at work i only took a quick look but i want to see if that will fit, i know it would take ALOT of fabbing but i'm still hesitant about the 210hp.

on a side note i do want to than you guys for the constructive critisim and the advice you posted unlike some (note i said some) people in the other thread, whou would just say it's not worth it, with no reason just because,

i'll stay on my engine haunt and i'll let you guys know what happens

I don't know what you are meaning by only having 210 hp, Are you talking about the SRT-4 swap or putting in a stock 2G 4G63? I have seen a 100% stock SRT4 put down 227 to ground and after the mopar stage one kit was added he made 262. I like morphious's idea here. Hell I am even thinking of buying a 2G N/T to try it. Does mopar make a rear end and AWD tranny that will work with that engine?

 

[injector]

I don't know what you are meaning by only having 210 hp, Are you talking about the SRT-4 swap or putting in a stock 2G 4G63? I have seen a 100% stock SRT4 put down 227 to ground and after the mopar stage one kit was added he made 262. I like morphious's idea here. Hell I am even thinking of buying a 2G N/T to try it. Does mopar make a rear end and AWD tranny that will work with that engine?

not the SRT the 4G63