1G staging brake plumbing

[noV8undrDIShood]

Hey guys,
I have a staging break that I used on another car that I am going to use on my 1g, but I am not sure how to plumb the staging break for an awd setup. I have looked around and found paul's thread about them but never really stated which way he went with it. Talk also has a thread involving a fwd setup.

I was wondering if you guys lock all four up, or stagger them. I had an idea on how to lock up all four wheels but not 100% sure it would work.

So, let me know how you guys are setting them up and if my idea would work or not.

Thanks guys

posted this late last night.. maybe more people will see it today

 

[noV8undrDIShood]

give this one last shot?

 

[BrokenTsi]

English Racing's 8 sec 1g stages just the front brakes. That what I plan on doing. I haven't done mine yet, I'm still making a bracket to mount the brake. I am just going to run the staging brake between the master and the prop valve.

 

[noV8undrDIShood]

ok, sounds good bro
thanks

 

[BrokenTsi]

Im pretty sure you only do it with one brake line. Not both, so no splicing/flaring involved. I got myself some 6x1.00mm to -3an fittings for the brake lines, and I picked up some Earl's -3an SS lines for pretty cheap.

I also got some 1/8"npt to -3an adaptors for the brake lines. It will be all bolt in.

 

[noV8undrDIShood]

yeah, I have installed staging breaks on a couple mustangs and a nova, but never an awd vehicle. I wasn't sure how you guys were seting them up. That was the only way I could figure out how to lock up all 4 if needed

 

[BrokenTsi]

You wont be able to lock up all 4 unless you have some type of dual master cylinder brake setup. In my opinion, locking up just the front would be the best. The whole idea is to tighten up the drivetrain prior to launch, and if the front is tight, the rear will follow. Thats how Jeff Bush does his race car, so I figure it has to work.

Honestly, I'm still trying to figure out the plumbing myself. I thought I had a good idea, but I dont think it will work. I'm trying to figure out what the lines from the master cylinder do. There isn't very much information out there on this.

 

[noV8undrDIShood]

our master cylinders have a two piston design. One piston controls the front breaks and the other piston controls the rear.. They do this incase one of the pistons fails, you only have 2 tires malfunction and the other two will still work. This way it is a "fail safe" break system.

I havent paid much attention to our prop valve, but each hard line coming from the master cylinder should control a set of wheels (front/rear). As long as the prop valve is internally divided into the front and rear

 

[BrokenTsi]

You're right, they control 2 brakes at a time, but Im pretty sure its not front/rear. The lines from the master that go into the prov valve control a front and rear on each side of the prov valve. I am only saying this judging by how the prop valve looks on my own car.

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So, if you run any one line from the master to the staging brake...then back to the prop valve...you will brake one front and one rear tire on the same side. That makes the install very easy with no cutting/splicing.

That's probably what I'll be doing. If you have access to ecmlink forums, check this out.

ECMTuning User Support Forums

I'll be doing mine real soon. I'll post back all the parts I used and let you know how it worked out. I'm still fabbing up a mount for the brake.

 

[noV8undrDIShood]

allright.. so it is left/right instead of front/rear, for the prop valve. keep me posted on what you use. I am going to mount it next week at some point, not in to big of a rush. car is still apart

 

[slowgsr]

I took the 2 lines from the prop valve on firewall that went to rear, ran them to a T then into the staging brake (cnc brakes) then out of the staging brake to a T and to the rear wheels.

I locked up the rear 2 but this method will work for the front 2 as well, it's on a non abs 90. I ended up just redoing the rear brake lines when I plumbed for the staging brake and ran them through the car.

 

[BrokenTsi]

allright.. so it is left/right instead of front/rear, for the prop valve. keep me posted on what you use. I am going to mount it next week at some point, not in to big of a rush. car is still apart

I'm in the same boat. . My car is in a million pieces.

I made a quick diagram. I will make another one illustrating slowgsr's method for anyone looking to plumb the lines that way. According to a member on the ecmlink forums, 2g's are the opposite. If the staging brake is ran the same way as this diagram for 1G's....the brake will lock up opposite wheels (LF and RR, or RF and LR).

 

[4gsx63]

Bringing this thread back...

I'm about to install a CNC staging brakes on a 1G and would like to get some ideas where to mount. One thing to keep in mind, I'm upgrading to aftermarket lighter brakes front and rear so the factory parking brakes will be eliminated.

Please post pics of your setup and what was done to it. I would appreciated.

 

[dsmdeliveryboy]

My buddy has a staging brake he installed on his 1G, I can get you in contact with him if you want his opinion. He is a way cool guy.
YouTube - ‪DSM Eclipse GSX 9.65@148mph incar‬‏

 

[BrokenTsi]

I'm all done with mine. It locks up the front right and rear left tire. I bolted a strong piece of metal on the floor under the shifter assembly, then bolted the CNC staging break to it.

I ran a -3an line from the front fitting on the master cylinder to the staging break , then back to the bottom left fitting of the proportioning valve.

It fits almost perfect, the wiper switch is kinda in the way and my fist hits it, but I'm going to remove an inch or two of the staging break handle and it will be perfect.

The factory carpet will cover the staging break, and I will modify the side carpet a bit so it looks clean.

 

[4gsx63]

I'm all done with mine. It locks up the front right and rear left tire. I bolted a strong piece of metal on the floor under the shifter assembly, then bolted the CNC staging break to it.

I ran a -3an line from the front fitting on the master cylinder to the staging break , then back to the bottom left fitting of the proportioning valve.

It fits almost perfect, the wiper switch is kinda in the way and my fist hits it, but I'm going to remove an inch or two of the staging break handle and it will be perfect.

The factory carpet will cover the staging break, and I will modify the side carpet a bit so it looks clean.

Can you post some pics when you get a chance?

My buddy has a staging brake he installed on his 1G, I can get you in contact with him if you want his opinion. He is a way cool guy.
YouTube - ‪DSM Eclipse GSX 9.65@148mph incar‬‏

Please do...


I will post some pics like wise when I'm done with the install.

 

[spoolin ddub]

Not sure if you would be interested but I can give you the contact info for the guy that did my staging brake. It looks normal but it's a modified stock e-brake that allows you to pull it up and set it like a regular e-brake but when activated allows you to pull up and lock the brakes but lever will freely shoot down when release.

 

[J_HEATH]

bring this thread back from the dead.

So anymore info on how people have ran this thing?

Also, track results?

 

[Mr4G]

I actually have a cnc stage brake, but it is the model with only one fitting for one line, not too sure how I would go about setting this one up. Any ideas?