1g front dsm swaybars available?

[mavisky]

So far I've only heard of the Suspension Techniques front bar. I've reached the point with this suspension that I actually need to add a front bar to eliminate some of the mid-corner roll and help tame the rear bar. I don't want to go to a stiffer spring up front as I don't know how much more the Koni's will damp.

So what's available on the market? Who's got experience with what?

 

[dwdsm]

I run the rm dsm sways on my 2g and love them... MachV sells them for the awd, the mounting points should be the same what about the endlinks?http://www.machv.com/newrmracsway.html

 

[Zero Bar]

Kyle, you looking for a larger "replacement" bar or the add on like mine? I havn't looked in a while but I think they only make the add-on ST bar like mine. It helps a ton keeping the rear from lifting(though it still does a bit) but really hurts ground clearance(basically you can't take a speedbump at an angle, only straight on). I know they make ones for the awd guys.

 

[mavisky]

Well right now I'm just trying to get information on what's available so I can hopefully apply one in January or so. As it stands now anything but the smoothest inputs will send the rear out and I'm still getting a good bit of front roll, and that's at only 30-50mph. I'd be scared to drive this car hard into a corner at 100 plus as it sits without dropping the rear sway bar's stiffness. I could do that, but that's just simply a band-aid for the situation to make the rear suspension work badly in correlation with the currently improperly functioning front suspension. I'd rather just fix the front suspension. It may take some time to get the exact balance right, but I really don't have another choice.

 

[pinder91]

Doesn't RM make them for the 1g? I've heard on the 2g, they are supposed to be stiffer than the ST. The RM's handled amazing in the 2g I drove that had them. That's the extent of my knowledge on them though.

 

[mavisky]

They were posted in the first reply for the awd, should mount up the same for the fwd I hope. Gonna check on that as soon as I get a chance too. Just got the room cleared in the garage so the car can come inside for the winter tonight.

 

[Elvenhome21]

Considering the weight of these cars, 3000 for an awd, they should have swaybars in the range of 1 1/8 to 1 3/8 at the minimum. These cars are way under what they need to be at, Late Models that weigh 2600lbs use 2"+ swaybars regularly, that way you can reduce overall spring rate and eliminate body roll. Circle track and road racing have so many things that cross over, people just have the blinders on to what will work for turning right also.

Along with running softer springs at a track like Road America where true downforce speeds are attainable, the car will squat down in the front from the downforce making it even more aero efficient.

 

[mavisky]

My car should be down to the 2500lb or under range so it should need a little less than the awd's.

 

[Elvenhome21]

fwd cars are a touchy subject, unless you have a spool in it you cant got very large on the sway bar because of traction issues. With a open diff a person is much better off using stiffer springs all the way around to make it "act" like a sway bar yet still allow the inside tires to have grip.

I dont remember if you have a lsd in your car, but if you do then you can go to a 1 1/8 easily enough. Also you have a considerable problem with lifting the rear tires. You might want to try softening it up somehow. Be it take out the bushings in the mounts so there is more slop and movement in the bar before it becomes active.

 

[mavisky]

On a road course I may be able to play the spring rate game like that, but out here I'll be bouncing around so bad I'll never hook up.

I'll probably just step up to the RM bar for now and then adjust the rear bar to match. Once I get a good true lsd (my phantom slip doesn't count) then I'll look into something custom maybe.

 

[mavisky]

Does anyone know if the fwd bars available for the awd's work on the fwd's. Everything else up front seems to be the same, so I don't see why not.

 

[Byrd]

I have the front and rear RMDSM bars. I got them from Mach V. The install was a serious pain in the ass. The bushing needs to be ground paper thin basically. You'll see what I mean when you get there.

Also, the bolts that come with the kit are realistically too short, i used the stock ones because they are a little bit longer and helped to bring the metal bracket over the rubber bushing. I also used new Tie rods cause the old one's looked/were thin and just....old.

It's also fun figuring out how to get the stock bar out. We dropped the transfer case and pulled/turned till we were blue in the face.

But, it's DEFINITELY worth it. People say it doesn't make a difference, it was like night and day for me.

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[Pro3racer]

Thank you for doing this. I have the ST front add on bar, and would like to see how it goes on.

 

[Byrd]

If you frequent DSMTalk there's a thread I did that's called "Ridin' on Rails" that goes more into the install and opinions about the CO and Bar install.

Also, the stock bolts work better cause you can use a socket wrench as opposed to the shorter allen wrench style bolts that come with the kit. Whoever thought of doing that was a genius

Found it:

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[mavisky]

Now the RM bar replaces the front bar completely, but does anyone know if it fits a fwd 1g as well as the 1g awd. Which bar in that picture is the front and which is the rear?

My rear bar was a huge improvement, but now I'm to the point where the stock front one has left me with a fwd that gets the ass end out too often.

 

[Byrd]

No idea on the compatibility questions. I don't know why it would be any different though.

The top bar is the front sway bar. The hump is to fit over the transfer case.

 

[pneumo]

I'd also like to chime in to say
I don't know if it'll fit, either!
but I DO know the attachment to the control arm is the same, and the bushings are in the same spot, the only question is whether or not the hump for Tcase clearance will hit anything.

Also, the stock 1g AWD front swaybar is larger at 20mm diameter, while the FWD is 19mm. It's a slight difference, but it's an option if you only need a little more bar.

 

[mavisky]

I'd also like to chime in to say
I don't know if it'll fit, either!
but I DO know the attachment to the control arm is the same, and the bushings are in the same spot, the only question is whether or not the hump for Tcase clearance will hit anything.

Also, the stock 1g AWD front swaybar is larger at 20mm diameter, while the FWD is 19mm. It's a slight difference, but it's an option if you only need a little more bar.

Thanks, that alone gives me hope as I'm pretty sure there's nothing there it will contact with the hump.

I'd go to the awd bar, but with 500lb spring rates and a sub-2500 lb car I'm still getting body roll like woah. I'm going to need something bigger I think.

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