16s or 17s?

[napkinthief]

I have a green eclipse no lowering on it

should i get 16 or 17 rims

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/16-S...cmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ66474QQitemZ8002903925

those are the ones I want, unsure of the size though

 

[knight007]

hey nice rims theres a guy around here that has something similar to those they look good. I had 17s on mine and had a problem rubbing, and when i got 16s it quit so it depends on what you want them for either way theyll look good.

 

[weith1111]

I plan on getting 17's at some point, but think 16's are just fine too. I think you'd be happy with either. I will say, though, that you may want to look for a WIDER rim. I know you probably aren't planning on road racing or anything, but I think wide tires always make a car look better, and with 7" rims you can only squeeze 215, at best. 225's look nice, if not 235's. For that you need a 7.5 or 8" wide rim. The way the tire sits on the rim is important too, if it's all bulged and bubbly it looks like a donut, if it's all stretched it looks like it's going to pop the first bump you hit.

Good luck with whatever you decide!

 

[NikeBball137]

Nice rims, they should look good. gotta love black rims with with chrome lip. I agree with weith1111 wide tires, they look nasty on cars. Go with the 17's and get some low pro's.

 

[napkinthief]

well if 17s are going to rub im not going to want them because I dont have the extra money right now to pay for more mods to not make em rub...

im getting the rims because i scraped a curb doing bout 35 and flattened both my right side tires and scraped the lip off 1/4 each rim, it was bad but i saved my left side from a truck

anyone know a good place for cheap tires?

 

[Patterson]

well if 17s are going to rub im not going to want them because I dont have the extra money right now to pay for more mods to not make em rub...

im getting the rims because i scraped a curb doing bout 35 and flattened both my right side tires and scraped the lip off 1/4 each rim, it was bad but i saved my left side from a truck

anyone know a good place for cheap tires?

17's will not rub. Do not get 16's, you might as well keep the factory 16's if you do so. 17's are too small for the high wheel well of the eclipse. eclipse's can wear 19's without any mods. I have 18's and love them. My buddy has 17's and I personally think they are shitty. just my opinion though

 

[napkinthief]

my rims are 14s i believe, stock

 

[speedy13]

go with the 17's,don't go with too low of a profile unless you live on a track.Potholes are a bi***.You can fit 225's on a 17 " rim with no problem,it wont rub.factories are X6 and you can put them on those without rubbing.

 

[weith1111]

You won't see a rubbing problem unless you get the wrong offset or have your car dropped MULTIPLE inches. Anyone seeing rubbing on a 17 inch rim with stock suspension did something wrong. Period.

 

[shpyder]

You won't see a rubbing problem unless you get the wrong offset or have your car dropped MULTIPLE inches. Anyone seeing rubbing on a 17 inch rim with stock suspension did something wrong. Period.

Not neccessarily true. You can't go thicker than 225/45/17 tires on 17 x 7.5 rims on 2Gs... Though there is a lot of clearence as far as the fender and wheel wells go, the rubber hits the control arms; mine barely, just barely misses them. There is no way I can go 18" and still run a chunky tire without using spacers (and I dont like super lo-pro tires, they look silly).

 

[weith1111]

Not neccessarily true. You can't go thicker than 225/45/17 tires on 17 x 7.5 rims on 2Gs... Though there is a lot of clearence as far as the fender and wheel wells go, the rubber hits the control arms; mine barely, just barely misses them. There is no way I can go 18" and still run a chunky tire without using spacers (and I dont like super lo-pro tires, they look silly).

I have to agree with what you are saying, but then would ask why would you go "thicker?" Proper tire sizing to keep the speedo correct would be 225/45/17. Please clarify what you mean by "thicker" as well, so others reading this in the future can understand. You mean you can't go with 225/50/17, right?

Wanted to post this link too, I've use it 1000 times: http://www.dsm.org/tools/tiresize.htm
If you want to know the proper profile to keep your speedo accurate, for upsizing or downsizing your wheels, it's all on there.

 

[wret]

Common people, I realize this is the Appearance forum but the rules still apply.

and with 7" rims you can only squeeze 215

Many popular tire brands spec 225 width tires on 7" wheels.

17's are too small for the high wheel well of the eclipse.

What?

225's on a 17 " rim with no problem,it wont rub.factories are X6 and you can put them on those without rubbing.

Not necessarily true. Don't forget about wheel offset. I don't get the X6 part.

You won't see a rubbing problem unless you get the wrong offset or have your car dropped MULTIPLE inches. Anyone seeing rubbing on a 17 inch rim with stock suspension did something wrong. Period.

Gold star for the first factual statement.

You can't go thicker than 225/45/17 tires on 17 x 7.5 rims on 2Gs... Though there is a lot of clearence as far as the fender and wheel wells go, the rubber hits the control arms; mine barely, just barely misses them. There is no way I can go 18" and still run a chunky tire without using spacers

Sure you can.

weith1111, don't worry about your speedo. You can't get far enough off to make much difference, and the speedo isn't that accurate anyway. Use stock tire size as a guideline. Autocrossers often try to get a couple % smaller.

Napkinthief, those wheels should fit although I would verify the vague "high" offset. Even cheap wheels usually end up being a fairly large investment. Be sure to take into account your future goals.

 

[shpyder]

Sure you can.

Without using spacers? How is that possible? I've wanted to put beefier tires on my car for ever. By thicker/chunkier/beefier, I mean for the tire to have a higher profile; a thicker sidewall. So, 225/50/17 then, or 225/55/17, etc.

The only reason I made that comment about fitment, was because I saw how close the current set up of 225/45/17 were to my control arms. They were alreay grazing the arm, for all practical purpuses, with black smudges already on the metal. There was no way I could have gone with a higher profile without spacers. I could be wrong, but I saw this problem myself first hand. How about having an offset that is less than stock, to push the outer rim edge further out, so as to miss the control arm...? Would that work? I'm trying to avoid using spacers at all cost.

The calculator tool gives me this:

If you want to run 17-inch wheels:
# For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 203 mm wide
# For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 184 mm wide

The closest thing to the first option are 200/50/17 motorbike tires.

 

[weith1111]

Quote:
Originally Posted by weith1111
and with 7" rims you can only squeeze 215
Many popular tire brands spec 225 width tires on 7" wheels.

Correct, I was wrong. Some 235 and 245 tires are even suggested to go on 7" rims.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patterson
17's are too small for the high wheel well of the eclipse.
What?

This is an opinion. I think 18's look dumb on 1g's, doesn't make it a fact. Whatever size you get you will be happy with, 16 or 17."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy13
225's on a 17 " rim with no problem,it wont rub.factories are X6 and you can put them on those without rubbing.
Not necessarily true. Don't forget about wheel offset. I don't get the X6 part.

X6 means a 6" rim I believe, as that's what stock RS wheels are right? And I don't know if you could manage 225's on 6 in rims "no problem."

Quote:
Originally Posted by weith1111
You won't see a rubbing problem unless you get the wrong offset or have your car dropped MULTIPLE inches. Anyone seeing rubbing on a 17 inch rim with stock suspension did something wrong. Period.
Gold star for the first factual statement.

Thanks, glad I could do something right!

 

[weith1111]

The calculator tool gives me this:

If you want to run 17-inch wheels:
# For 50-series tires, you will want a tire that is 203 mm wide
# For 55-series tires, you will want a tire that is 184 mm wide

The closest thing to the first option are 200/50/17 motorbike tires.

If you want more tire between your rim and the road, why don't you get smaller wheels? Running big wheels with thick tires is going to give you a Crown Vic look. Eek.

 

[shpyder]

If you want more tire between your rim and the road, why don't you get smaller wheels? Running big wheels with thick tires is going to give you a Crown Vic look. Eek.

If I wanted to run thicker tires on stock sized rims, I would already be doing that. But since I want to run them on 17s, its a different matter. Eclipses have stupidly huge wheel wells, larger than even some family sedans. Thicker rubber with the correct amount of lowering would fill the gap nicely without the lowrider-slammed look. 225/45/17s dont look too bad, but I actually had someone ask me if the rims were 15s. . You put 17s on a civic, they look like 19s, since the wheel wells are so small. I want to go 18 soon, but i dont want to sacrifice the rubber.

 

[wret]

Without using spacers? How is that possible?

+40mm offset wheels work for most street applications up to 245 width tires.

 

[wret]

If I wanted to run thicker tires on stock sized rims, I would already be doing that. But since I want to run them on 17s, its a different matter. Eclipses have stupidly huge wheel wells, larger than even some family sedans. Thicker rubber with the correct amount of lowering would fill the gap nicely without the lowrider-slammed look. 225/45/17s dont look too bad, but I actually had someone ask me if the rims were 15s. . You put 17s on a civic, they look like 19s, since the wheel wells are so small. I want to go 18 soon, but i dont want to sacrifice the rubber.

If you want to mitigate your wheel gap, you will need to lower the suspension, since for any size wheel you will keep the overall tire diameter close to stock size.

Some think that lower profile tires on larger wheels create the illusion of more gap.

 

[weith1111]

If you want to mitigate your wheel gap, you will need to lower the suspension, since for any size wheel you will keep the overall tire diameter close to stock size.

Some think that lower profile tires on larger wheels create the illusion of more gap.

Agree, the only way to successfully handle this is to lower the car.

You could get bigger wheels without lowering the profile, but even if you went from 225/50/16 to 225/55/17 you'd be adding 11mm total to the height of the profile; plus the 1/2 a side from the wheel increase. You'd be lessening your gap by not even an inch. Not much improvement.

I will say that profiles get ridiculous on 18's and 19's (35 profiles?!), staying around the 45 or 50 area keeps a good safe sidewall, while not looking like a bus.

Good luck to everyone!

 

[sureshot971]

My eclipse is lowered 2 inches and i have 18 inch rss rims with low pro and i have never had a problem rubbing so far, i love them the nice wide rims are nice for handling, of course my suspesion has to be really stiff now so i feel every little bump i hit or the tires probly will rub, but its all good i dont mind a stiff suspension so its whatever you prefer. i say either a 17 or 18.

 

[speedy13]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=34408&password=0&sort=2&cat=500&page=1


225-50-16 on stock 95 gs rim,lowered on spotlines w a 1.6" drop on agx's,my X dsm.I miss her.Fitment is not a problem, I had pirellis,kumho's,michellin's and wynstars and they all fit without rubbing.I worked at a shop that did tires and i was in charge of tires so Iknow they wont rub.the only way thet'll rub is with incorrect offfset as someone already stated.Put 225-40-17,and 18's on many a DSM.