1.8T vs 2.7T

[MASMORE]

I am in the market of buying a Manual AWD 4Dr Saloon with a Snail or possibly two Snails (Turbo/s). I need to know from either a owners point of view or someone that's no stronger to the 4 rings Marque; How good or how bad is this platform to work with? thanks!!

-MAS-

 

[SethA]

I have no experience with the 1.8 but I have a friend that has an S4. It seems expensive to modify to me. Buying 2 of everything sucks but it is a nice car. It doesn't make that much sense to me to spend all the money on an Audi if you just want to go fast. If you can be happy with chip and exhaust then go with a V6 but if you want to do more a 1.8 might make more sense?

Seth

 

[MASMORE]

Let's take the GSX in comparison to the 1.8T will I get the same 4 Cylinder variable as far as power goes? I'm not really going for Insane power but I do want a decent response when ever the pedal is press.

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

Let's take the GSX in comparison to the 1.8T will I get the same 4 Cylinder variable as far as power goes? I'm not really going for Insane power but I do want a decent response when ever the pedal is press.

A friend of mine let me drive his 1.8t quattro one time. It's a really nice car and all, I would probably even buy one, but the feeling of the power was no where near my stock 1g awd at the time. Granted this was an older 1.8t, early 2000's i believe, so I'm not sure if the newer ones have more power.

 

[MASMORE]

The thing here is I don't want to go for one an then regret not going for the other...

How superb is the awd quattro vs our DSM's GSX/EVO?

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

The thing here is I don't want to go for one an then regret not going for the other...

Superb in what sense?

From my friend's experience, they are less reliable (the earlier ones are, not sure about the new ones). They are not as powerful as our cars, and do not respond to mods as well. Every thing is also much more expensive to do on it, whether it's basic maintenance or upgrades.

 

[MASMORE]

I mean in their awd system, is it a better set up? I really need something with four doors and turbo, I don't plan on getting a evo or subie, just the fact that they are way too expensive. Here in cali you can get the 1.8T awd quattro for under 5K and the 2.7T quattro for under 10k, using the (97-2000 base model)

Is the 1.8T best for mods or go all out with 2.7T? I'm going for the 300 + HP mark!!

 

[Raptoreborn]

I mean in their awd system, is it a better set up? I really need something with four doors and turbo, I don't plan on getting a evo or subie, just the fact that they are way to expensive. Here in cali you can get the 1.8T awd quattro for under 5K and the 2.7T quattro for under 10k, using the (97-2000 base model)

I currently own a 1.8t gti & love it. Though I regret not going with a4/s4 for the same reason & four doors! The 2.7t is built from the factory to drive on the track. The power is great but with a chip you can have a real sweet awd DD. I say skip the 1.8t(180hp) and go with the 2.7t(250hp). Plus you can always use the extra room.

 

[DSMboostin15]

I say go with a S4, you won't regret it. The only problem is that the B5 S4's still go for around 15k and parts are expensive. I've ridden in a few lightly modded S4's and it was amazing. If you do go with an S4, make sure that you don't get parts from the Audi dealership, they are expensive as hell. $60 for power steering fluid, my ass.

 

[redyute1]

just a heads up at our shop i got like four quattro customers the're nice cars but as expensive as a benz in terms of maintence.And it uses mineral oil for the steering fluid,thats why it is $60.00 and i would not recommend nothing but dealer parts for it.Just imagine to do a timing belt job costed the customer $1500.00, then i had to pull the whole front of the car to do it, bumper,grill,headlights,radiator,condensor,the whole nine yards,so research before you go adead and buy it

 

[VTEC_THIS]

IMHO I would stay away from the S4 if you plan on modding. My boyfriend sold his a few months ago and bought a 1G.

VWvortex Forums: FS: 2001.5 S4 - K04s, 135k, NJ

The B5 S4 is a nice car, but it will take a MUCH bigger bite out of your wallet than a DSM would.

If your looking for a turbo upgrade in the S4 most people go with the overpriced K04 setups. Then again, most Audi upgrades are overpriced. Expect somewhere in the vicinity of 350-400whp depending on injector selection and tune with K04s. Prices vary for an bolt-on K04 kit for an S4, but expect to spend more than it's worth.

AWE Tuning - Products

Autospeed Performance - Engine-Turbo Performance Package - Products

This is just for basically two turbos, six injectors, and software.

If you're looking to go with an S4, your best bet is to find a private party selling an already modified S4.

Good luck.

 

[tunethis]

I went to a A/C shop one time and a guy came in with an Audi 1.8T and the mechanics said they won't the touch the Audi. I don't know why but, it seemed odd to me. Just do more research and check out other sedans with turbo's. It sucks owning a car that costs a lot to work on.

 

[VTEC_THIS]

Not sure about the 1.8t, but the 2.7t is a pretty cramped engine bay - it's not really friendly to the DIYer.

 

[MASMORE]

*** Thanks for all the feed back, yes I'd been desperately searching for the real cost of owning a Audi!!
an yes the results are devastating 8-( What other models, marques or series does one have for a manual 4Dr Saloon; at a price that won't break the bank?

 

[olmytsi]

One of my best friends has had a 2002 s4 since 2006 so i know a lil bit about them first hand. Don't fuucking buy one to mod it . The engine bay sux. If i owned one, it would be my daily and stay stock, maybe an exhaust and a drop.

My friend has a chip, wheels, drop, short shifter, fmic (crazy piping and a BIITCH to remove/install work around), exhaust without cats and some other lil shit. One of his friends here has one with hybrid k04s and stuff, makes good power and shits all over his roomate's tuned 20g evo to give you an idea of the power. I LOVE the s4's but hate working on them.

Definitely way better than 1.8t tho.


Also, my friend had a coolant leak by the firewall, had the car towed to audi and ended up getting the 60k maintenance done in addition to fixing the leak. Bill was $7300. Labor was more than half of the bill. They charged him xtra because of the fmic piping...I WAS LIKE , that's a second car for me. His dad said you better keep this thing for a while now (he is 23 and has gone through 3 mk4 supras, one being singled with 800hp and an sti).


Conclusion, nice car but modding will be expensive. Oh yeah, AWE is 20 minutes from me...very nice shop.

 

[Raptoreborn]

*** Thanks for all the feed back, yes I'd been desperately searching for the real cost of owning a Audi!!
an yes the results are devastating 8-( What other models, marques or series does one have for a manual 4Dr Saloon; at a price that won't brake the bank?

There's no good way around low maintenance/upgrading a euro sedan. It will cost both arms and legs to own one. Plus all are open to chip/software tuning. If this will be a daily driver, keep it close to stock as possible. Ex: I plan on trading in my 1.8t, it has a drop in K&N, DP, short shift kit, dropped on blistein shocks/springs, TT Diverter valve and Revo stage 2. Every mod was done specifically to be able to change back to stock with no problems.

Here's a few choices: Volvo S60R, T5, or S40 T5; VW B5 Passat 1.8t, Jetta IV(20th Anniversary-nice) or GTI 337; and S4/A4 B5. Judging by what you said about prices in Cali these all can be had for under $20g's.

 

[MASMORE]

***Yeah, I know maintenance will cost an arm an a leg for any euro but knowing that I will do some of the work my self an keep it in tip top shape. I'm stuff of the rice rockets rides, I need a little finesse with the horses to back up the looks. All my life I'd own nothing but rice, I feel the need for a change in style, marque and performance. Making the switch from rice to German will mean making the right decision on choosing the right setup, something that will last just as long as my GST has (7yrs 155k an still going)

What about BMW 3 series or 5 series saloons? From past experiences with them these are one well put together cars but then again no snail is standard in them...

Regards
-Mas-

I'm willing to go with all motor Rwd, if necessary

 

[Ludachris]

I have a 2.7t A6 - you'd easily be able to get more power for less money from the 2.7t until you start upgrading turbos (not counting the cost of the car). Hell, just a $500 chip will get the 2.7t over 300hp, as to where the 1.8t would only get 200hp. I would probably look at an older S4. The 1.8t is cheaper to buy, better on gas, and cheaper once you start upgrading turbos.

I've been thinking about the same thing. I'm probably going to sell my A6 and buy a 1.8t A4 or maybe an older S4. Not sure what to do yet.

 

[MASMORE]

I have a 2.7t A6 - you'd easily be able to get more power for less money from the 2.7t until you start upgrading turbos (not counting the cost of the car). I would probably look at an older S4. The 1.8t is cheaper to buy, better on gas, and cheaper once you start upgrading turbos.

I've been thinking about the same thing. I'm probably going to sell my A6 and buy a 1.8t A4 or maybe an older S4. Not sure what to do yet.

***let me know if you do go I4 !! that was what appeal to me from the 1.8T the MPG of a 4 banger with enough kick to hold it's own

 

[Ludachris]

***let me know if you do go I4 !! that was what appeal to me from the 1.8T the MPG of a 4 banger with enough kick to hold it's own

I'm leaning towards the 1.8t due to gas mileage right now. Not that the 2.7t is bad - I've averaged 22 MPG overall with the car since I've owned it. And I tend to do some spirited driving.... not bad for a V6.

 

[Defiant]

I mean in their awd system, is it a better set up?

Audi must think so, but so far as I've found, there is not other vehicle whose AWD is set up like the DSM's. It's the only truly ALL wheel, 50/50 torque split out there. Audis and Subarus are front-wheel drive cars with the rears added-in: the DSMs really are as well, except that when DSM added the rear drive, they gave it the same* torque input as the front. I've not driven the other AWD setups, other than a Honda Element, and I'm still not sure what that goofy thing was up to. I don't think there's a "better" AWD arrangement this side of the Hummer.

But then, "better" is a subjective term. Usually your first experience is what you'll spend your days saying is "better". I started in RWD, and other than the Talon, haven't deviated. I hate FWD. Rabidly. With foam.

I really need something with four doors and turbo, I don't plan on getting a evo or subie, just the fact that they are way too expensive.

Well, if you can get yourself past the cachet -which may be tough for someone who's using "marque" on this forum- there's boatloads of AWD sedans available now, from VW to Ford to Jaguar to Honda to Mercedes and I don't even know who all else. Who is using who's hardware would be another confounding labyrinth.

Here in cali you can get the 1.8T awd quattro for under 5K and the 2.7T quattro for under 10k, using the (97-2000 base model)

Welcome to California, Land of Fickles and Nuts. I have a J30 Infiniti that I got for almost nothing (and is an amazing car), and just picked up an '03 C320 Coupe for 11½K because the sunroof's dodgy. And if you're willing to pay for some gas, people are giving away things because they're costing them an extra twenty a week to run, and putting themselves into $25K debt to save that $20. You know. Morons.

Is the 1.8T best for mods or go all out with 2.7T? I'm going for the 300 + HP mark!!

All that babbling said, the TT gives me a bit of a stiffy. But I'm terrified of the idea of having to live with an Audi, and I'm far too poor to consider modding one.

I take for granted you're cruising the Audi forums. They're where you'll find the real inside info.

*Don't even try:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...vision-slip-drive.html?highlight=torque+split