the b-52 turbo from the speed factor -opinions?

[86MCSS]

you just got yourself a $20 discount my friend. i'll write this down and when you place your order we'll take care of it.

SHWING!!!

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

SHWING!!!

what's your name?

*edit* actually shoot me an e-mail [email protected] so i can make a record of it.

 

[808gsx]

has anyone actually have any results on this turbo yet? I'm looking for a new turbo for my setup and I just want to know how it compares to a t04B turbo.

 

[khendriksma1]

It is a T04B... just one with a 52 lb/min compressor wheel.

Sorry, I can't help you yet. It has been too cold in my garage to install it yet plus it has been snowing quite a bit yet.

 

[thisdsm]

Damn this turbo looks damn good. Im also waiting to see some numbers. Post it up once you get it done.


...is the turbo BB? when does it hit full boost??

 

[khendriksma1]

Nope, not ball-bearing... just the standard 270* thrust bearing. I think it is supposed to spool by 4000rpms (or sooner) but I don't know yet since mine is not installed.

 

[redrkt]

I don't know exactly what it is. Here are the diameters of the inducer/exducer (I might be a couple thousandths off with the exducer).

Inducer = 2.298"
Exducer = 2.674"

I am not sure if I have figured it correctly but it seems that this is a 74-trim.
Is this the correct formula? Inducer squared divided by the square of the exducer x 100? I get 73.784237003912800447177193963108 or 74-trim for short.

If this this correct, is this trim supposed to be good? I have heard that the higher the trim number the more efficient the compressor is.

If these measurements are accurate and taken off the B52 then i'd have to say it has to be a TO4B H-3. The TO4B H-3 measures 2.298 inducer and 2.75 exducer, and is rated anywhere from 49 lbs/min to 53 lbs/min depending where you look. You will often find a few lbs/min difference in the rating of the same compressor wheel from different vendors. This turbo was designed and used as oem equipment for Ford turbo trucks back in the day.

Any idea what turbine wheel is used or what it measures?

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

If these measurements are accurate and taken off the B52 then i'd have to say it has to be a TO4B H-3. The TO4B H-3 measures 2.298 inducer and 2.75 exducer, and is rated anywhere from 49 lbs/min to 53 lbs/min depending where you look. You will often find a few lbs/min difference in the rating of the same compressor wheel from different vendors. This turbo was designed and used as oem equipment for Ford turbo trucks back in the day.

Any idea what turbine wheel is used or what it measures?

folks you are killing me, how many times do i have to say it. this is not the H3 wheel. The compressor wheel is actually quite new compared to alot of the wheels being used today. flow rating is over 53lbs. we simply used the term "52" for the novelty effect.

we have not had 1 complaint about this turbo either so i guess we did something right

thanks for the space, and happy boosting.

RedRkt- been a while bud. How's the car looking for this season?

 

[redrkt]

Well, regardless what you say, the turbo khendriksma1 has uses the TO4B H-3 wheel, that is the only wheel that matches his measurements. He said he bought the B52 from you, so unless a mistake was made with his order, that is the wheel that the B52 uses, the same wheel that comes stock on turbo mustangs as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know what wheel is in the B52 your selling. It wouldn't be the first time you didn't know what compressor wheel was in one of your turbo's. Remember the old thread on the GT3251 turbo you were selling? Maybe this time you should call up Bullseye Power to find out what wheel it is since you don't believe the information khendriksma1 and i have given.

Also, i don't understand your sales pitch behind the B52.

Above all those great features this turbo will flow over 52lbs/min! Yes folks, we are talking 50trim flow numbers!

The 50 trims flows 47lbs/min. How do you figure a 52+lbs/min turbo flows similar to a 50 trim? Your TO4B v1/v2(48lbs/min) that you sell is closer to flowing 50 trim numbers. It is also the same turbo used in oem applications for industrial John Deer Tractor equipment. People really need to realize that there is alot more to a turbo than just it's max flow rating.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

Well, regardless what you say, the turbo khendriksma1 has uses the TO4B H-3 wheel

well i guess any attempt at staying civil with you is useless.

Talk about beating a dead horse. You know damn well that PTE gave me info as a vendor that you weren't given when you were on a mission to prove me wrong. You kept arguing there was no 55 when i knew there was and the only problem was when i was misinformed by PTE about a number which i corrected and acknowledged i was misinformed.

Anyway, the wheel IS NOT AN H3!!!! It is similar but not an H3. the inducer is a tiny bit bigger.

When i said flows over the 50 (which is 49 not 47lbs. )it seems to have been pretty well understood that it was regarding the lbs/min rating.

I don't know what the hell it is you have with trying to be the dsmtuners.com official instigator but if my customer thought something was wrong i think he would contact me.

I have never, nor have we ever even been accused of misleading our customers. We bust our asses to make sure our customers get exactly what they want and while i may not have years and years of experience as a vendor we have many customers on here have never expressed anything but praise for us so i would appreciatte it if you would not spread information that is untrue that you are assuming.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

oh and i'm pretty sure the H3 was a grand national upgrade not the smaller wheel used on the mustang.

Mustang Wheel: 409096-0013; 60 trim TB03 1.83 inducer/2.37 exducer

don't get personal on the thread either. you want to send me e-mails, IM's, PM's, hell call me it's cool. Don't fill a thread with uselss misinformed information.

I don't know why we can't all get a long

 

[ITSME4G63]

You guys should jsut reconsider bashing anything about the turbo or the speed factor. Considering the price of the turbo compared to whatever you want to compare it to, there just isnt anythign better out there for the price. Plus a 2 year warrantee which is hassle free for 70$ is just nuts, you dhave to be stupid not to get it. Hey martin, Ive got a question about the d2 suspensions you sell, where do they originate? Are they another japanese company liek tein?

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

You guys should jsut reconsider bashing anything about the turbo or the speed factor. Considering the price of the turbo compared to whatever you want to compare it to, there just isnt anythign better out there for the price. Plus a 2 year warrantee which is hassle free for 70$ is just nuts, you dhave to be stupid not to get it. Hey martin, Ive got a question about the d2 suspensions you sell, where do they originate? Are they another japanese company liek tein?

thanks bud.

I don't want to take this of track so shoot me an e-mail and i'll get you all the details. But no they are not Japanese. It is a Malaysian/Taiwanese company.

 

[redrkt]

We can get along fine, just settle down. I was civil, i didn't insult you, i just stated the facts, as usual. You are the one who seems to be getting irrate.

Talk about beating a dead horse. You know damn well that PTE gave me info as a vendor that you weren't given when you were on a mission to prove me wrong. You kept arguing there was no 55 when i knew there was and the only problem was when i was misinformed by PTE about a number which i corrected and acknowledged i was misinformed.

You are mistaken again. I posted the compressor map, max flow, and measurements of the GT3251 compressor out of the garret catalog, and you said "there was no way that was the wheel used in the gt3251." You called PTE and found out that infact i was correct about the wheel. Thus you didn't even know what wheel was in your own turbo that you were selling. That is why i wouldn't be surprised if it were to happen again.

Anyway, the wheel IS NOT AN H3!!!! It is similar but not an H3. the inducer is a tiny bit bigger.

A tiny bit bigger inducer with the same exducer? C'mon man, there are only a few possible wheels it could be. You get them from Bullseye, and it is the same H-3 turbo they sell. khendriksma1 verified this with his measurements, are you calling him a liar too?

When i said flows over the 50 (which is 49 not 47lbs. )it seems to have been pretty well understood that it was regarding the lbs/min rating.

Considering that you are supposed to be a turbo specialist, i guess i can see why you are getting so upset. Here is some free education to help you do your job better. Straight from Garret, 50 trim flows 47lbs/min, 54 trim flows 45lbs/min, 57 trim flows 49 lbs/min, 60 trim(not 60-1) flows 50lbs/min.

I don't know what the hell it is you have with trying to be the dsmtuners.com official instigator but if my customer thought something was wrong i think he would contact me. We bust our asses to make sure our customers get exactly what they want and while i may not have years and years of experience as a vendor we have many customers on here have never expressed anything but praise for us so i would appreciatte it if you would not spread information that is untrue that you are assuming.

I'm not instigating, i just try to help the other members of this board get as much accurate information as possible. Really man, just stop with your sob stories full of vauge statements/opinions and just post technical helpfull information about your products. You integrity as vendor is strictly a matter of opinion, which will vary based on alot of things.

oh and i'm pretty sure the H3 was a grand national upgrade not the smaller wheel used on the mustang.

The H-3 was used on the stock SVO Mustang, and the V trim was used on John Deer tractors. I'm not bashing anything, i'm just stating the facts. I would hope other members on the board would appreciatte that.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

I am not calling anyone a liar and if I am not mistaken no where has my customer said "I know this is an H3 wheel"

As I said I will not disclose what wheel this is but it is very similar to the H3.

I do remember what happened to both of us during the "great battle of '03" and I would like to avoid that

Oh and when you insult my intelligence and accuse me of lying to my customers I think anyone would consider that an insult.

 

[khendriksma1]

Alright, I have watched the T04b V-trim thread for a while and for a period it turned into just a bunch of shit-talking. Don't make that happen to this thread too.
Redrkt, no dis-respect, but why don't you handle your issues/differences with prostreetdsmx1 via PM or something rather than fill this thread with it. That is not what this thread was intended for. Rather it is for "opinions" on the B-52 from TheSpeedFactor.com. Do you even own one? If not, you have no reason to "lay it down" like you are. I have one of the B-52's but you will notice that I haven't posted a lot in this thread either because it is not installed yet so I can't give an honest opinion.

A tiny bit bigger inducer with the same exducer? C'mon man, there are only a few possible wheels it could be. You get them from Bullseye, and it is the same H-3 turbo they sell. khendriksma1 verified this with his measurements, are you calling him a liar too?

I may have been off very slightly on my measurements of the wheel. I am pretty certain that the inducer measurement is correct but I don't believe that the exducer is 2.75" like the H-3 has. I never got a reading that large. I don't have any reason not to believe prostreetdsmx1 that this is not an H-3. Does it REALLY matter what wheel is in it if it performs as it is supposed to?

 

[1029TSG]

We buy all of our cartridges from Garrett with two T's, maybe the "Garret" stuff you're referring to has different ratings. Here's a snap shot from the Garrett catalog that will show you all the T04E ratings from the 46 Trim on up. It may be hard to read so I'll spell it out for you.

54 Trim = 47 lbs/min
57 Trim = 50 lbs/min
60 Trim = 53 lbs/min

As for the 50 trim, its 49 lbs/min which is why AGP calls it an RS49.

The H-3 is not a B-52, in fact the compressor wheel in the B-52 is not even made by Garrett so that would likely explain the confusion.

 

[1029TSG]

Here's the snap shot

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

in fact the compressor wheel in the B-52 is not even made by Garrett

told you it wasn't an H3 :laugh: :laugh:

it is a wheel from a very reputable company so to all the nay sayers, it is not some cheap POS wheel from some no name.

with that gentlemen i bid you good night.

Happy Boosting my friends.

 

[redrkt]

Redrkt, no dis-respect, but why don't you handle your issues/differences with prostreetdsmx1 via PM or something rather than fill this thread with it. That is not what this thread was intended for. Rather it is for "opinions" on the B-52 from TheSpeedFactor.com. Do you even own one? If not, you have no reason to "lay it down" like you are. I have one of the B-52's but you will notice that I haven't posted a lot in this thread either because it is not installed yet so I can't give an honest opinion.

I or anyone can give their "opinions" about this turbo or The Speedfactor.com all day long, whether i own one or not. That's exactly what this thread is about. However, opinions really aren't worth much without facts to back them up. I haven't bashed the turbo or Martin once in this thread, i've only stated facts about them. While some of the facts may be viewed as negative, they are still the facts.

I may have been off very slightly on my measurements of the wheel. I am pretty certain that the inducer measurement is correct but I don't believe that the exducer is 2.75" like the H-3 has. I never got a reading that large.

The question was brought up about what wheel it uses, you posted the measurements, so i looked them up and found that the H-3 has the exact same inducer measurement and a very close exducer measurement. It's also the only TO4B wheel that is rated up to 53lbs/min. I give you props for actually measuring the wheel, because that is the best way to identify it. You will often find that a wheels measurments and flow rating will vary a little from vendor to vendor.

I don't have any reason not to believe prostreetdsmx1 that this is not an H-3.

I guess this where we may have problem. Like i said, he has posted misinformation before where didn't even know what compressor wheel was in the turbo he was selling. Whether he will admit it or not, he lied to alot of people in another thread(GT3251) because of his lack of knowledge about his own products. DSMTALK is back up and running somewhat again, i will post a link to that thread if you don't believe me. That thread even got him banned from DSMTALK.

I don't know why he thinks he has to keep it a secret, it's not like anyone's going to "steal" a topsecret TO4B wheel. It's just a sales technique called hype, i've seen it used before in the gt3251 thread on DSMTALK.

Does it REALLY matter what wheel is in it if it performs as it is supposed to?

It must matter somewhat, or you wouldn't of measured and posted the wheel to begin with. I'm sure alot of people would like to know what they're buying before they purchase it, there is nothing wrong with that. Would it matter if the turbo performs like shit?

 

[khendriksma1]

It must matter somewhat, or you wouldn't of measured and posted the wheel to begin with.

I only posted the measurements to find out if anyone knew what it was... not because it really mattered to me but because when someone asks me what I am running when I am at the track I wanted to be able to tell them. If I just told them a T04B "B-52" most people would have no idea what I am talking about. If I were able to tell them it was an "[insert trim here]"-trim Garrett T04B it would make sense to a lot more people.

 

[redrkt]

We buy all of our cartridges from Garrett with two T's, maybe the "Garret" stuff you're referring to has different ratings.

Thanks for the spelling lesson. Maybe you could give your turbo salesman Martin some capitalization, punctuation, and sentence structure lessons as well.

So can you tell us what the B52's max flow rating is, other than "over 53lbs/min"?

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

Thanks for the spelling lesson. Maybe you could give your turbo salesman Martin some capitalization, punctuation, and sentence structure lessons as well.

So can you tell us what the B52's max flow rating is, other than "over 53lbs/min"?

hahaha anything you can do to try to come out on top huh. Even my customer that you were trying to use dissed you. Funny how that works. And you still don't come out and admit you are wrong. It’s ok. My rep speaks for itself and fact of that matter is YOU AND I got banned from DSMtalk because going back and forth got out of hand that is why. Don't try to make it seem like I was banned for "lying" or "misinforming" fact of the matter is you got suspended just like I did.

You can rant, rave, piss and moan all you want about what may have happened in the gt32 thread. Fact of the matter is I simply answered questions that were asked to the best of my ability with what PTE told me, there were some mix ups and I noted them and made sure to rectify them. You say it was my product, where the hell did that come from? I was asked questions about a PTE product and gave the answeres PTE gave me. Sometimes in the business there are miscommunications, ask any vendor. Really it is true.

Fact has it that quite a few sold and are still being used and people still call me asking about that thread and i must say, I think the customers understanding on the matter and their own educated opinions about me, my business and how I represent each means a whole hell of a lot more than some internet soldier that seems to have it out for me.

When you come out and try to insult me, attack my character you not only insult me, you insult my business partners, employees and the many many customers that turn to us for help and I encourage you to find a single thread where anyone says we didn't bust our ass to make sure our customer was satisfied so don't you dare accuse me of lying to customers or question my business practices.

You want to go around being an e-soldier then go for it, you want to come after me personally then hey my address is 45915 Maries Rd. #182, Dulles, VA 20166

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

Thanks for the spelling lesson. Maybe you could give your turbo salesman Martin some capitalization, punctuation, and sentence structure lessons as well.

So can you tell us what the B52's max flow rating is, other than "over 53lbs/min"?

I am not his sales man, we do business together. And dave knows that i say this respectfully but it is not information for him to give out nor would he due to a little something called professionalism. If you have any questions please send them to [email protected] and we'll help you out.

Mods i apologize for going off subject, i will not reply anymore to this thread unless it is to answer a specifically asked question.

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

Redrckt, wow, im surprised you would attack martin. It is easy for you to jump out and attack him for not releasing specs on their new turbo, but as vendors it is in their interest to keep specs in secret so that other vendors cannot copy off their product. Oh and props to Martin for keeping the insults to a minimum. Many of the board including me have bought products through him and I have heard nothing but happiness from his customers. In fact most people post saying how easy and helpful he was.

NOW lets hear from some people who have bought this turbo. I want to hear how it does cuz im saving up for one right now. Dyno results, spool-time and the flexibility would be great to hear about this and would be beneficial to everyone.