super 60 turbo???

[twocanewayne]

Hey guys, dont know where I saw it but ive been searching. But anyway I was reading this thread on turbos and they were talking about the t25 and then something was said about a super60 and a t3. Is that a slight upgrade like a t28?? Im confused , I would like to use the t25 shell and change the internals. Can some of my fellow DSM buddies help clear this up?WTF

 

[brute]

A super 60 is a totally different compressor wheel used on T3/T4 hybrid turbos. It has a different flange than the Mitsubishi exhaust housing has. Depending on all the wheel sizes and housing sizes, this turbo can be anything but a mild upgrade. If you're going for a stock look, check out Forced Performance's Big T28. If you have anymore questions, ask away!

 

[twocanewayne]

Well I want a set up like the one ive been reading about, just know I have to do the other mods first. Thanks alot....wayne

 

[twocanewayne]

do you think one would work on my 95 tsi awd>????

 

[twocanewayne]

and be a good set up?

 

[GVR4592]

No it's not a good turbo for your TSI, do some research on it and you'll see.

 

[Phalanx99]

NO NO NO.
It is way too big for your 2.0L engine. Even with my 2.4L, I still don't want to mess with that turbo. Go and look for a 50trim or 20g instead.
I think that will answer all of your questions.

 

[brute]

Actually, a T3 "Super 60" is really small. It would still not be economically sound to purchase because it would be the same size maybe smaller than the stock turbo.

 

[GVR4592]

NO NO NO.
It is way too big for your 2.0L engine. Even with my 2.4L, I still don't want to mess with that turbo. Go and look for a 50trim or 20g instead.
I think that will answer all of your questions.

That's very inaccurate information. A super 60 is a pretty small turbo, similar in size to a 16g. It's not a worthwhile upgrade, because of the cost and complexity involved, it would be easier, and cheaper to get an Evo 3 16g that would make a lot more power.

 

[Phalanx99]

yes. Sorry guys. My bad.
I thought it is 60 in 1 T3/T4
Just looked at the stat of super 60 T3 and yes it is small.

 

[01QuadDak]

A super 60 compressor, with a exhaust housing with a .96A/R will flow MORE than enough air, and is almost the ideal size, for my 4.7 liter dakota.
Just to put things into perspective onto what this turbo can flow.....

 

[GVR4592]

Good lord, where do you people come up with this shit? Go find the compressor map, plot the airflow of your 4.7 V8 and you'll see the super 60 runs out of breath at 3700 rpm's at 10psi. There is no way that turbo is anywhere near ideal for such a large displacement engine.

 

[GVR4592]

yes. Sorry guys. My bad.
I thought it is 60 in 1 T3/T4
Just looked at the stat of super 60 T3 and yes it is small.

Even so, the 60-1 is not too big for a 2.0

 

[fwdeclipse]

Even so, the 60-1 is not too big for a 2.0

Yeah that phalanax guy does not know anything.You should see some of his posts on team2g.com its quit hilarious.He is clueless.

 

[Phalanx99]

Yeah that phalanax guy does not know anything.You should see some of his posts on team2g.com its quit hilarious.He is clueless.

Then go and laugh at yourself.
You don't know anything about turbo. Do you even know how much air that 60-1 blows out per minute ? Go and do research. Don't just blindly follow some ignorants and take their comments as God sake.

To GVR4592: why did you say that 60-1 is not too big for 2.0L engine ? In a common sense, you can put any turbo on your car as long as it fits. But here we are talking about an EFFICIENT turbo for 4g63. With 60trim turbo, 4g63 have to rev upto 4400 rpm at 24psi to get full boost. How much rpm do you want to go to spool the 60-1 turbo ? It may be a good turbo for track racing car but a horrible turbo for a street racing or daily drive car.

In case that somebody don't belive me, go and ask around here. Find people that are on top list and ask them how much rpm and psi they have to run to get full boost with 60 trim or 60-1 turbo.

 

[twocanewayne]

Thanks for the help guys, I read up and it was supposed to be a slight upgrade to the t25. Its kinda old school and I guess like some guys said it would not be worth my time and money. Thanks alot guys!

 

[twocanewayne]

It is supposed to be something like the t28.

 

[fwdeclipse]

Then go and laugh at yourself.
You don't know anything about turbo. Do you even know how much air that 60-1 blows out per minute ? Go and do research. Don't just blindly follow some ignorants and take their comments as God sake.

To GVR4592: why did you say that 60-1 is not too big for 2.0L engine ? In a common sense, you can put any turbo on your car as long as it fits. But here we are talking about an EFFICIENT turbo for 4g63. With 60trim turbo, 4g63 have to rev upto 4400 rpm at 24psi to get full boost. How much rpm do you want to go to spool the 60-1 turbo ? It may be a good turbo for track racing car but a horrible turbo for a street racing or daily drive car.

In case that somebody don't belive me, go and ask around here. Find people that are on top list and ask them how much rpm and psi they have to run to get full boost with 60 trim or 60-1 turbo.

Are you kidding me.WTF A 60 trim is very streetable.So to you if you dont have full boost at 3k its not streetable.So I guess everyone better buy 14bs.I have a t4 60trim and I drive it on the street.I beleive gvr4 is running a 60trim variant of some kind and is daily driven.I am not just blindly saying comments that is what your doing.You have no clue what your talking about stop posting.

 

[Phalanx99]

The guy that I bought my turbo (T3/T4 60trim) from claimed that he only get full boost after 4200 rpm. He was ranked 15 on this site.
Many 4g63 guys said that they got full boost with 20g after 3500rpm
So how the hell can you get full boost out of T4 straight 60trim at 3000rpm ? There are only3 reasons: 1) you don't know shit about turbo, 2) You are lying about you are getting full boost at 3000rpm, 3) Your turbo is not 60trim

Anyways, I will not waste my time to argue with you. There is an idiom:
"Don't talk to insane people. Don't argue with dump people"

Peace

 

[spyderturbo007]

Wow, this is getting out of hand. I think someone needs a time out and then this thread should be locked.

 

[fwdeclipse]

The guy that I bought my turbo (T3/T4 60trim) from claimed that he only get full boost after 4200 rpm. He was ranked 15 on this site.
Many 4g63 guys said that they got full boost with 20g after 3500rpm
So how the hell can you get full boost out of T4 straight 60trim at 3000rpm ? There are only3 reasons: 1) you don't know shit about turbo, 2) You are lying about you are getting full boost at 3000rpm, 3) Your turbo is not 60trim

Anyways, I will not waste my time to argue with you. There is an idiom:
"Don't talk to insane people. Don't argue with dump people"

Peace

Where on here did i say my 60trim spooled at 3k.I was making a point saying that a turbo that fully spools at 4500rpm is a streetable turbo.You dont have a clue so dont talk to me like im an idiot.You dont even have a 4g63 so unless you have some experience shut up.This thead is now worthless the origanal poster got what he needed now mods close this.

 

[01QuadDak]

disregard that, I was thinking about the 60-1, which is a totally different compressor than a super 60, and more different than a T3 "60" trim.

 

[GVR4592]

I think you all need to take a step back and look at what you're typing before you post it. I haven't seen so much crap in one thread in a very long time. You guys throw turbocharger terminology around when you have no clue what you're talking about. Let's just end this right here.

A T3 Super 60 trim uses a T3 turbine housing, it will not bolt onto a DSM flanged exhaust manifold. You might be able to put the internals into T25 housings, but even if you could it would require a lot of modifcation and the cost would be more than buying a Evo 3 16G.

It flows about the same as Big 16g but is less efficient, the cost to install it on a DSM would be more than buying a better performing bolt-on turbo, in the eyes of most DSM enthusiasts it's just a waste of time and money.

 

[GVR4592]

Then go and laugh at yourself.
You don't know anything about turbo. Do you even know how much air that 60-1 blows out per minute ? Go and do research. Don't just blindly follow some ignorants and take their comments as God sake.

To GVR4592: why did you say that 60-1 is not too big for 2.0L engine ? In a common sense, you can put any turbo on your car as long as it fits. But here we are talking about an EFFICIENT turbo for 4g63. With 60trim turbo, 4g63 have to rev upto 4400 rpm at 24psi to get full boost. How much rpm do you want to go to spool the 60-1 turbo ? It may be a good turbo for track racing car but a horrible turbo for a street racing or daily drive car.

In case that somebody don't belive me, go and ask around here. Find people that are on top list and ask them how much rpm and psi they have to run to get full boost with 60 trim or 60-1 turbo.

Learn how to read a compressor map, find the compressor maps you're talking about, then plot the airflow of a 2.0 engine on those maps. That is how you determine efficiency, not by guessing when it will spool up. I have a 60 trim on my daily driver, it's not a big turbo and it's very streetable.

Read rule #3 when posting:
Don't try to help if you don't know the answer - bad advice can be worse than no advice (no "I think" or "I guess" or "I've heard").

It's pretty obivous you have no experience in these matters and you are spreading a lot of bad information around. We would all appreciate it if you could leave your guesses out of any discussions. If you have some experiences or facts you would like to share then please do so.