Mods

[trixtert]

Hey guys. I read the tunning guides and found out some basics but I wanted some more help. Over the next little while I plan to come up with about 3 or 4 grand $canadian$ and I want more power from my 94 non turbo Talon ES. Here are the two options I am considering please correct me or give me any addvice you can.

Turbo It:
Buy an old 1991 Eagle Talon TSi 2 wheel drive engine either from a Junkyard or from a shop here in Calgary called Yoko Used Japanese Car Import Parts. Then totaly free up the exhaust. Run like a 2 3/4 or even a 3 with a test pipe and a wide open muffler. Better air filter and maybe slightly more agresive cams with longer intake and longer exhaust timings. Then tune for as much power as I can. Anything else?????

Naturally:
First free up the exhaust with some decent headers and maybe a 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 exhaust with a test pipe and a good muffler. Then go for a good short ram or cold air intake. Swap out for some better fuel injectors and a higher flowing fuel pressure regulator. Then get an MSD ignition coil and box. Then a comp upgrade or a piggy back to optimize those fuel curves. And if there is any left go for some better brakes. Anything Else????


I'm really leaning towards the turbo side it would be more easy power and well just the satisfaction of having a turbo in a non turbo car is pretty cool.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Hey guys. I read the tunning guides and found out some basics but I wanted some more help. Over the next little while I plan to come up with about 3 or 4 grand $canadian$ and I want more power from my 94 non turbo Talon ES. Here are the two options I am considering please correct me or give me any addvice you can.

Turbo It:
Buy an old 1991 Eagle Talon TSi 2 wheel drive engine either from a Junkyard or from a shop here in Calgary called Yoko Used Japanese Car Import Parts. Then totaly free up the exhaust. Run like a 2 3/4 or even a 3 with a test pipe and a wide open muffler. Better air filter and maybe slightly more agresive cams with longer intake and longer exhaust timings. Then tune for as much power as I can. Anything else?????

Naturally:
First free up the exhaust with some decent headers and maybe a 2 1/4 or 2 1/2 exhaust with a test pipe and a good muffler. Then go for a good short ram or cold air intake. Swap out for some better fuel injectors and a higher flowing fuel pressure regulator. Then get an MSD ignition coil and box. Then a comp upgrade or a piggy back to optimize those fuel curves. And if there is any left go for some better brakes. Anything Else????


I'm really leaning towards the turbo side it would be more easy power and well just the satisfaction of having a turbo in a non turbo car is pretty cool.

definatly go for the turbo route. be careful with the cams, because on a turbo motor more exaust overlap is a no no

 

[trixtert]

Hey chris umm not to sound like a noob but what is exhaustv overlap. And what intake/exhaust type cams do you recomend or should i just stick with the stock TSi Cams

 

[aliczander]

well i donno about the 2wd tsi i though all the tsi where awd but u could go gst those are fwd
but from what i understand about evne the 1st gen's is that putting a 4g63t in a na car still takes a lot of extra work and what not, my first gen died on me before i could really do alot of research about it.... so im not going to say for definet but thats what i understand

and i would go turbo and do a little bit of the second choice as well put a turbo in and then upgrade your exhost to 2.5"

 

[trixtert]

So well I definately need a Turbo engine and I definately need a 2 wheel drive. So what cares do you think would work. Would like The Plymouth Laser RS Turbo or The Mitshubishi GTS or i'm not sure about this one but maybe the 91 TSi. Would the stock engine mounts and everything work or would I have to relocate something major.

 

[na90dsm]

for abotu 4k you can make a n/a 1g fwd a gst. you need to swap trans, clutch,flywheel,ecu,and wiring harness unless you splice into your n/t harness fo rinjector resistor pack and knock sensor.

the motor mounts are the exact same, the n/t trans will blow under the load of a turbo motor with few mods.

its easier to get a turbo car unless your determined.


also i have a set of tsi 5spd cams for sale. lemme know

 

[1993eclipseGS]

This will probably sound rude, And in no way am I trying to. If you have that much to spend to make your car go fast, You can buy a turbo car tsi fwd or awd or gst/gsx. Then sell your car and buy mods!!!

 

[trixtert]

thats what everybody is telling me . Well the thing is that the car is in awesome shape good kms runs great and I really ddont wana sell it plus a 94 Talon TSi will prob cost me about $6500Cdn and I only payed $4800 for this car. And I'm sure I can get a junker that was rear ended and take everything I need from his car or get that engine and Tranny from the Yoko shop for under $1500cdn.

 

[IceDragon]

I thouht eagle's line was TSI = turbo fwd TSI AWD = turbo awd and ESI = 2.0 model and regular base was the 1.8... not quite sure.. i never really looked into it, but I thought thats how it ran.

 

[aliczander]

I thouht eagle's line was TSI = turbo fwd TSI AWD = turbo awd and ESI = 2.0 model and regular base was the 1.8... not quite sure.. i never really looked into it, but I thought thats how it ran.

no eagle talon tsi is awd dohc tg63t, esi is 2.0 dohc 420a with the sports package, es is the base modle

plus right after i bought my esi i found a tsi awd for the same price but its all good coz its cheeper on the insurance and thats what you have to pay ever year, i pay 1,200 for a stage2 turbo kit and ive got a gst without the extra insurance cost the way i look at its its cheeper in the long run

oh and ps, if you plan on doin any of this stuff this is the man to talk to

for abotu 4k you can make a n/a 1g fwd a gst. you need to swap trans, clutch,flywheel,ecu,and wiring harness unless you splice into your n/t harness fo rinjector resistor pack and knock sensor.

he knows all when it comes to 1st gens i dont know why hes not a wiseman, when my turbo kit finaly gets here me and him are puttin it on ohhh yah

 

[GSGoinFast]

no eagle talon tsi is awd dohc tg63t, esi is 2.0 dohc 420a with the sports package, es is the base modle

plus right after i bought my esi i found a tsi awd for the same price but its all good coz its cheeper on the insurance and thats what you have to pay ever year, i pay 1,200 for a stage2 turbo kit and ive got a gst without the extra insurance cost the way i look at its its cheeper in the long run

oh and ps, if you plan on doin any of this stuff this is the man to talk to



he knows all when it comes to 1st gens i dont know why hes not a wiseman, when my turbo kit finaly gets here me and him are puttin it on ohhh yah

mr. Xander your way off. the first gen talon came in 4 models, the TSI awd(turbo awd), TSI(turbo fwd), ESI(4g63 non turbo fwd), DL(1.8 fwd). no 420a's in here.

with $1200 extra you do not have a GS-T. your internals are weaker, and although you may have more power than a stock GS-T, with a few mods he will be past the mark that yoru internals will fail. plus, did you ever get that turbo kit?

the stock 4g63t head has a more aggressive intake cam but the same exaust cam as the NA version. you dont want your exaust valves open for very long at the same time your intake is. thats what i mean by exaust overlap.

 

[aliczander]

mr. Xander your way off. the first gen talon came in 4 models, the TSI awd(turbo awd), TSI(turbo fwd), ESI(4g63 non turbo fwd), DL(1.8 fwd). no 420a's in here.

with $1200 extra you do not have a GS-T. your internals are weaker, and although you may have more power than a stock GS-T, with a few mods he will be past the mark that yoru internals will fail. plus, did you ever get that turbo kit?

the stock 4g63t head has a more aggressive intake cam but the same exaust cam as the NA version. you dont want your exaust valves open for very long at the same time your intake is. thats what i mean by exaust overlap.

i dont even have to look at who wrote this, i can just feel who it is from the anamosity

hi chris hows it goin
i was talkin bout 2nd gen eagle, i guess i should have specified, and on the second part, i could go into a long tangent about na and turbo and turboed na's but ill just let my car do the talking when i pass u in ohio

 

[rarson]

Well, he's right. The AWD Eagle was always the "TSI AWD" and the "TSI" was always FWD.

I'd say, if you've gotta have a turbo, just turbo the N/A motor. For the money you'd spend swapping everything over, you could do a pretty good motor build. If I were you though, I'd just throw like 8 psi at it with a simple cheap setup, keep the car running good, and make some good power without a lot of fuss.

Actually, if I were you, I'd build it up naturally aspirated. But making over 200 hp on a N/A setup will cost a lot more than a 200 hp turbo setup.