Killing me. TMO LOGGING SOFTWARE!!!!!

[bcjjones]

I just cant get it to work. I bought a cord made for TMO, Jackal etc but I cant get TMO to connect. I've tried everything I can think of. I can get TunerPro RT to connect and log but its just too complicated for a logging software. I understand it is also a tuning device but for now I just want a simple logging software I can run on my laptop.

Anyone still use TMO and have some suggestions? Or if anyone could ease the process of logging only with TunerPro RT I would appreciate that also.

I tried unzipping TMO in safe mode on the computer and there still is no difference.

 

[rts91tsi]

Which COM port is your logging cable connected to?

To use TMO you will need to have one of the COM ports, 1-4 free and available to use. When you open the application click "Connect", select the COM port where your cable is inserted in the "Logger Preferences" window, then click "Connect" in the same window. TMO will then display to you if you are indeed connected to the ECU, or if you need to check your cable connection. Once configured, the cable will remain so, unless you change the COM port.

Once you are connected, click "Collect Data", and the graphical logging window will appear. At the top of it, click "Data">"Select", and choose which parameters you wish to log. You can also configure and choose "Quick Selects" for logging so that you don't need to describe which data to capture every time.

The DRBII feature can be used to view converted sensor data, like TPS, ECT, IAT, ETC. Alternatively, you can also choose to view the raw voltage for the applicable sensors.

I also use TunerPro RT to edit ROM/log, but I find it to be pretty user friendly. What issues are you having with TunerPro?

 

[bcjjones]

Yea I understand that, ive freed up the com ports(my laptop only has 3 and only 2 are usb) and had already done what you suggested to no avail. iy just wont connect. Is there any other driver besides the TMO itself?

About TunerPro though once I save a log it doesnt seem like it read right. I can load it through TunerPro but can only seem to get the 02 readings to actually change and only on the monitors screen. Also the monitors screen only shows the Volts reading(NB 02 sensor) and the Bar reading(which doesnt show up). But on the items list page and the Dash page I can see all the readings Time advance, TPS ect. but everything stays the same no matter what I do. I cant actually seem to read the log??

 

[rts91tsi]

There are no other drivers for TMO that I know of. If you can connect to TunerPro you should be able to connect to TMO. Which cable are you using?

I take it you're using the Kaxlon_DSM_1G_TunerPro_ADX?

As far as the BAROmon, there seems to be an issue with the way the monitor was defined and you'll need to edit it. You can also add other monitors if you edit the definition.

I'll look into the definition to see what I can do to make it read BARO correctly. I noticed the "Range High" under the "Values" is what is holding the monitor back from displaying the data.

 

[bcjjones]

That is what I meant by complicated I guess. I dont know how to rewrite things like that. Im using a cord made from a guy hete on tuner specifically for 1g tuning software as TMO, Jackal etc. Like i said it connectsnto Tunerpro just fine and ia very prodessionally made. I am using Kaxlon_DSM_1G_TunerPrusing also.

I also would love to add monitors, which is what was also complicated about the program because I couldny figure out how, so if you could tell me how or somewhere that explains it that would be greatly appreciated. I dont mind reading if I can learn something!

 

[rts91tsi]

The way that the ADX being used is defined, the "Range High" values will have to be set to the maximum value of the parameter in order to create usable monitors. That will require you to do some homework, but once you know those you can just type them in.

Open TunerPro>Aquisition>Edit definition

Click Values>BARO

On the right find "Range High", change it to 1. This is the highest reading in bar that you will probably see, unless maybe you drive through "Death Valley" since it actually below sea level.

Adding a monitor is easy! Just select the monitor which you want to overlay data, like O2 for example, and for giggles you want an RPM plot on that monitor too.

While still in ADX edit mode....click Monitors.

On the right you'll see the add Series button, click it, then click the box w/ ... on the right of "Item To Display", and select RPM from the list. Then just choose which colors you want for the display, and when you're done save it.

 

[bcjjones]

Okay cool. I got it.

Only thing that sucks is that you have to add monitors, you cant make them seperate. As in how the layout of the baro and o2 are, there in there own "box". Also kinda sucks you cant review the log on the dash screen and have the gauges chang which would be cool.

I still have more learning to do, so any other pointers or links to gain some better understanding?

 

[rts91tsi]

Well that's the thing about TunerPro, it is meant for the end user to customize to their liking. There are folks who are good enough to donate their definitions, and knowledge, which is a major help to newbies.

Not sure if you followed this thread at all, but in post #21, I tell the OP how to upload and view data logs.

The best advice I can give is to familiarize yourself with every aspect of the program, and explore the content of the help files. Even though some of the information is lacking in the files, TunerPro's forum is a good place to ask questions about the software.

Some of the DSM guys who use TunerPro frequent DSM ECU | A Place For Car Tech Enthusiasts. They have helped me out quite a bit, since I am fairly new to stock ECU tuning/ROM editing.

 

[bcjjones]

Alright cool I really appreciate the help. Im starting to understand it all a little better. Still have some reading to do.

Im curious how reliable the simulated narrowband is from a AEM Uego wideband if anyone has experience using one? I have one in the stock location simulating the narrowband but not sure if its a reliable source. Or if I should re hook up the narrowband and just have a bung welded in for the wideband so I can run both?

Also more importantly I have the Wideband 5v plugged into the egrt, basically cut the wire and put the 5v source on the end running to the ecu. I also edited the egrt in Tunerpro to a max of 6 and also changed the input as volts instead of temp. Still cant get Tunerpro to log the wideband though. What am I doing wrong?

 

[rts91tsi]

Just have a bung welded on to the exhaust for the UEGO, and let the stock O2 sensor do its job, that is until you have a tuning solution to correctly use the WB signal in its place. Also, I don't know how reliable the UEGO's 0-1v signal is, but you could log it, and then compare it to stock O2 values to find out.

What color wire do you have connected from the UEGO to the EGRT input?

Last I knew the AEM UEGO only has 2 wires for signal output, blue and white, and the blue one is serial, which will not work connected to the ECU. However, it can be connected to pin 2 of a DB-9 connector (pin 5 to ground), or serial /usb converter and logged using a program such as EvoScan.

 

[bcjjones]

Yea ill probably just have the bung welded on tomorrow and put the stock 02 back in its place. I'm not sure I trust the narrowband simulation. Ill probably do as you suggested and compare the two readings.

I have the white wire from the Wideband hooked up to the Stock narrowband 02 input on the ecu, but I have moved it to the egrt input to try and see if I could at least get a Wideband reading but maybe I have it set up incorrectly in TunerPro? I know there is a conversion option that might have something to do with it?

It confuses me too, that I have read of people using the White Wideband 0-5v output to log via the EGRT input, but im not sure how because if I dont plug it into the Narrowband input there is no way the Wideband can simulate it. Basically if I plug the Wideband 0-5v input wire in the EGRT instead of the Narrowband 02 input I have no Narrowband input at all.

Also I just bought a Moates Ostrich 2.0.. I got it used from a guy for 75 bucks, as I have a morgage and a new born baby so the money for Link is un attainable right now. I will need to still get a socketed eprom ecu from what I undestand but I will soon have a better tuning device then this crappy SAFC 2

 

[rts91tsi]

Congrats on the newborn!

You should really consider having the title of this thread changed, since the content is mostly about TunerPro. That might make it easier on others who are searching, and have the same questions that you have.

The conversion currently listed in the EGRT value is just for that, EGRT, and you will have to change it to correctly display either the WB voltage or AFR. Changing the conversion to AFR will make things easier on you in the long run.

The process to have the EGRT input display AFR would go something like this:

The AEM white papers, which may or may not be correct, list the full scale voltage of the sensor to be 4.99v, basically 5v. The papers also list the AFR scale from 10-19.98 for gasoline, basically an AFR range of 10. Additionally, the ECU will interpret the voltage it sees as 0-255. These numbers will need to be plugged in to form the equation to convert the ECU's interpretation of the WB signal, to a useable AFR reading on the logger.

It would look something like this: AFR= x*(10/255)+10

AFR range of 10, divided by 255 (how the ECU will report max voltage)= 0.0392 rounded off.

.0392 * 128( how the ECU would report 2.5v)=5.0176

5.0176 + 10=15.0176 AFR=2.5v, which from the white papers, is almost spot on.

Again this will all depend on the exact voltage output from the UEGO.

 

[bcjjones]

Wow, it is pretty complicated but very simple math.

So if im understanding this correctly, I would need to change the conversion to:

x*(10/255)+10

The computer will enter the "x" input as whatever Voltage the Ecu is reading from the wideband. Is that correct?

Great idea on changing the name, as that is what it has turned into. Not exactly sure how to do that, I was under the impression that only moderators could.

 

[rts91tsi]

The computer will enter the "x" input as whatever Voltage the Ecu is reading from the wideband. Is that correct?

Great idea on changing the name, as that is what it has turned into. Not exactly sure how to do that, I was under the impression that only moderators could.

Yes to both.

Like I said about the equation, you may have to alter it, but at least you know how to go about doing so.

 

[bcjjones]

The more I get into tuning/engine management the more im liking it. I have worked on cars/engine most of my life but living in South Texas i've never been a fan of "imports". Until I bought this TSI and its consuming my life! Very interesting/cool stuff.

Dont get me wrong, im still a huge fan of offroad vehicles too!

I truley appreciate all the help and knowledge. If you dont mind me asking, where did your learn all this?

Also, until I get a bung welded in for the WB and put the NB back in the car, I will be still simulating the NB using the WB. Like you probably already know I have to have the WB 0-5v output plugged into the 02 input on the ECU to be able to simulate the NB. So i'm not able to put the WB output to the EGRT input.

My questino though, is can I plug the WB 0-5v output on the NB input and also the EGRT input at the same time?

 

[rts91tsi]

I've been learning from reading the content at dsm-ecu : DSM-ECU as well as the guys at DSM ECU, the link from the 8th post.

Also reading the help files, posts from the TunerPro forum, and the links from there to a few of its members forums. They have some good how to's regarding enabling certain features in TunerPro.

 

[hotrodssnova]

And so the friendship began.
I to am trying to get this damned tmo working!