Good Price to Swap or Not?

[got traction?]

I know a NT tranny will work in a 1g 4g63. But if does fit n the 2g, the gearing is going to be so close the turbo will never spool.

 

[widebodied]

Originally posted by MilkTheCat
I am new to the DSM World and now have a 95 Eclipse GS. The reason I do not have the GS-T is because I cannot afford the outrageous insurance payments. I have been saving for a while and was ready to do some basic mods to my car [ catback exhaust, intake...ect.. ] when I checked out a local import shop and brought up the question of going turbo. I have considered it before but the price was crazy for the new engine. He said he could have it swapped out with the turbo engine, and he said it would include all the necessary things to finish the get it running [ something about axles... I should have wrote it down... ] He said the engines he can get generally have 30,000 miles on them and would do the swap and install for around 4,500. Deal or No deal? I just want some input on whether the price is good or not. I'm not looking for responses that suggest that I sell it and buy a GS-T, because I cannot afford it, my insurance is already too high. I thought the Turbo Forum could offer me some expert advice on my situation.

"To Swap, or Not to Swap...That is the Question..."

-Thanks

listen bro, 4500 can get you pretty far with the motor you currently have. i got my car about 3.5 years ago. its a gs. my cousin pulled up 2 weeks later with a gst. i was jealous as hell when i felt the boost. i was thinking to myself why didnt i do research! guage cluster,ecu, axles customization to the engine compartment, etc,etc just aint worth it

so i said cool, whatever. i purchased the hrc kit for around 2000 or so. it was a stage 1, non intercooled i had a manual boost controller and was running about 7psi. hrc claims of high 14s with fine tuning and a good driver. me and hime ran neck and neck( untill he got a mbc ) so a year or so passed and i decided that i was tired of getting my ass handed to me by modded gst's and gsx's so i decided to go ahead and up grade my kit. i got a turbo xs rfl bov, fmic, a apexi avc-r, safc, and had the motor fully built. i just added a set of crane cams and msd dis ignit. and other access. too much to list. anyways, i cranked up the boost to about 15 psi's after break-in period

yyyaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhoooooooooooooooo. . most unbelivable expericence i have ever felt. ive been missing the wonderful world of high boost. on the track i run mid 13s, on street tires. wheel spin is outrageous and turbo lag is almost non-existent.

i can take most gst-gsx's out there that are not majorly modded. or running high booost. my best time on slicks was a 12.8@109.

the 420a has potential, you just gotta figure out how to do it. exhaust, header, cam gears will get you no were.

im in stage 4 trim right now,

you can find a used turbo kit for our motors all the time, 3500 buccks should get you a kit, and a built bottom end.
our motors have been proven to handle 12psi's or so stock, thatll get you low 14s, if not high 13s depending on the driver.
here are some sites that might help u out
www.hahnracecraft.com
http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi
http://www.newedgeracing.com/Store/home.htm
http://www.phatridz.com/
http://www.boosted-rs.com/
http://www.armond30.com/ >>>>> highly reccomended

and as for my cuz with the gst, hes running like 20psi's on a 20g now, and yea, his punkass can still suck me up, hes in low 12s now

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by got traction?
I know a NT tranny will work in a 1g 4g63. But if does fit n the 2g, the gearing is going to be so close the turbo will never spool.

a 1g 2.0 nt will work on any turbo 4g63 dsm with some work done to it. i know i run one in mine for the shorter ratios.

a 2g nt tranny won't work on anything dsm except for another 2g nt car. its as simple as that.

 

[eclipsebabyblue]

look im not a teenager thats driving a car he cant afford. im 22 years old and im a union ironworker so i make a decent amount of money. my insurance is high because i was a teenager. im not trying to be a dick but if the guy said he can make it work then for his sake i hope he can if not there will be problems. the car goes in in three days when the motor gets here. so ill let you guys know if he made it work or not..

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by eclipsebabyblue
look im not a teenager thats driving a car he cant afford. im 22 years old and im a union ironworker so i make a decent amount of money. my insurance is high because i was a teenager. im not trying to be a dick but if the guy said he can make it work then for his sake i hope he can if not there will be problems. the car goes in in three days when the motor gets here. so ill let you guys know if he made it work or not..

well i hope he can too. i'm not saying its impossible, but you might want to get ready to go toe-to-toe with the owner. i'm not assuming you're an idiot, i'm assuming he's an idiot. anyone who claims they can do something this intensive on a set schedule and at a set price had better have a damned good idea what they're getting into.

 

[widebodied]

i agree with maivsky if you can get this swap done in 2 weeks and with 3,250. yea, its not impossible, all im sayingis, you better be ready to make a couple trips to the bank for more money, and have another car on hand. or have him contract the labor.

but i got one ligitimate question for ya, why dont you just buy a used Hanhns race craft turbo kit for 2000 faster than a stock gst or slightly modded gst. if your interested, holla at me, and with the money you saved, you can build your bottom end to take more boost. youll jazz up your engine bay and you wont mess up your beautiful 98 engine bay, just something to consider, but give me a hoola if u interested because my boy is selling his right now.

and btw dont forget to visit satan(dealer) to get those shift cables and another guage cluster if you decide to go through with it, hope not though

 

[eclipsebabyblue]

well that might be a good idea but one of my main reasond for the swap is that i lost a set of rings and figured its gonna be pretty expensive to fix them i may as well just swap for the gs-t motor and be able to get more power.

 

[eclipsebabyblue]

well that might be a good idea but one of my main reasond for the swap is that i lost a set of rings and figured its gonna be pretty expensive to fix them i may as well just swap for the gs-t motor and be able to get more power.

 

[widebodied]

the hrc stage 2 kit dynos at around 250-270 whp depending on tuning.thats about a 100 hp difference to what super street dynoed a stock gst. a stock gst was dynoed by super street at 163 while the awd dynoed at 187. big difference i can get you a set of j.e pistons for 400 bucks with rings with a .20 overbore. thatll allow you to run about 12 psi's safely, i can get you some eagle rods for about 320 shipped to your door. run about 16psi on a 16g and your looking at close to 300 hp

 

[widebodied]

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[eclipsebabyblue]

well you were exactly right when i started asking the right questions he backed out on me. he said the total price would be around 10,000.00 and it was too much for him to do. then he finally admitted that he never did the swap he installed bolt on turbos on 3 nt's. so i ordered the rings, and hrc stageII with fmic last night. the only problem is its gonna take three to four weeks for the turbo cause hrc is backed up...

but at least i'll soon have a turbo

 

[widebodied]

rings?

 

[eclipsebabyblue]

yeah the ones that go around the pistons

 

[widebodied]

why didnt you get pistons......

 

[eclipsebabyblue]

only had enough money for a turbo and rings i will replace everything eventually, but for now 13 sec is fast enough....

 

[widebodied]

good luck getting to 13s and staying there on with stock internals, cuz youll need it

 

[eclipsebabyblue]

hrc swears by it they had an rs that ran 13's on stock internals daily driver for over a year

 

[widebodied]

thats hrc tuning, proably on low mileage internals, its gonna cost just as much to put slugs in it is to put the rings in, so basically your wasting your money, should just wait untill you get the slugs and rods, why pay all that labor to install rings unless its a must you have em, with master tuning, our rods can hold 14psi, untill you start to bend and stress stuff, this is widely known. 10-12 psi's is safe for everyday driving, and with a god driver, on a good day, and on some good tires, you might be lucky enough to pull a 13 second slip, good luck on whatever you decide

 

[mavisky]

i don't blame him. on top of the same labor charges he'll also then have to cover $1000+ in rods, pistons, rings for those pistons and mating them together. plus if he's re-ringing the engine himself it would be even cheaper still.

 

[widebodied]

Originally posted by mavisky
i don't blame him. on top of the same labor charges he'll also then have to cover $1000+ in rods, pistons, rings for those pistons and mating them together. plus if he's re-ringing the engine himself it would be even cheaper still.

um sorry, but we 420a boys can get piston-ring-rod sets all day for 650-700 shipped (j.e eagle rods, total seals<<<<<<<<suck).
and from the looks of it, hes having the work professionally done, but if you want to keep wasting money going in to the block for no reason, its all him

and plus, after he blows his internals after a year so, maybe sooner if he has a heavy foot and getting boost crazy, he just spent 120 on rings that 1. he didnt need, and 2. hes gonna have to buy another set.

 

[mavisky]

in that case i hate you

the cheapest i've seen is a $725 combo for pistons and rods for a 1g, but upon contacting the people selling it they advised us not to exceed 500hp on that setup. it seemed kind of useless to me since our 6 bolt stock bottom end cars can make in excess of 400hp anyways.

 

[widebodied]

Originally posted by mavisky
in that case i hate you

the cheapest i've seen is a $725 combo for pistons and rods for a 1g, but upon contacting the people selling it they advised us not to exceed 500hp on that setup. it seemed kind of useless to me since our 6 bolt stock bottom end cars can make in excess of 400hp anyways.

word, our motors handle like a max at 250 or so on stock internals

sucks, our rods look like a dog bone, but i wish this guy the best of luck, welcome to the wonderful world of boost

 

[eclipsebabyblue]

well i guess your right since you know me and you know that i cant rip an engine apart and do the work myself. the only thing i dont really know too much about is the turbo. i can replace rings, pistons and rods myself. i went to school for cars so i have a pretty good idea of what im doing whether you believe me or not... i dont understand why most people have to be ignorant when somebody wants to do something that others dont aprrove of....

 

[widebodied]

well do what you want, ive gave you educated opinon on the situation, if you wanna go into the head just to put rings in that you dont need, more power to ya, good luck on whatever...........

and btw, ignorant means lacking of knowledge,