fuel management question

[DEADLY_GST]

I'm currently stockpiling parts for my car so I can finally have some sort of fuel management. I'm posting because I don't know exactly everything that I need. Here's what I have as we speak, walbro 255, ebay FPR, and RC 680cc injectors. What else do I need?

 

[WIKDGSX619]

I would also get a good afr gauge like a aem uego,if your not going to buy dsm link or an aem ems youre going to at the very least need a afc.

 

[SP00LD]

Dont skimp on the FPR. Its one thing you dont really want to cheap out on.

 

[Seamus]

I have really good luck with the aeromotive knock off from ebay. I wouldn't listen to people who haven't tried the parts. I have a fuel pressure gauge in car, and it gives me rock solid base pressure, adjusts like a normal FPR, and rises exactly as it should. What more could oyu want? Aermotives supplier is SX engineering right here in St. Louis. All this shit is made in china now a days anyways. The president of SX is Chinese.

 

[SP00LD]

I had an earlier ebay version of that FPR. The rubber diaphragm fell apart after about 2 months. But hey, you're probably right with the way things are made nowadays.

 

[Seamus]

I had an earlier ebay version of that FPR. The rubber diaphragm fell apart after about 2 months. But hey, you're probably right with the way things are made nowadays.

We don't even know what kind of ebay FPr he has. My point is that a FPR is a pretty simple device. Definatly not very hard to reverse engineer. People like to point to the quality control in chinese factorys, but most companies have a quality control engineer stationed or making regualr visits to the plants building their products. I have lots of customers whos companies make all of their products in china, and my best friend has been living and selling financial products in china for the past 6 years. I myself have spent over 3 months in china between 2 different trips. My sister is a buyer for a huge industrial supply organization. they essentially do not even carry western made products anymore. People say," would you trust your engine to a chinese _______?" well you are trusting things that are a lot more important than car parts to chinese manufacturers. After you die, do you have a problem trusting a chinese made coffin to keep you from smelling for eternity?

I think most people bash this crap because they have absolutely nohting of value to post otherwise, and bashing a chinese product they have never used is a sure fire way to make a "valuable" post when you really having nothing intelligent or innovative to ad to the forum.

 

[MY1GDSM]

I would also get a good afr gauge like a aem uego,if your not going to buy dsm link or an aem ems youre going to at the very least need a afc.

I would recommend for quite a few different good reasons a Innovate Lc-1 over any AEM W/b gauge any day of the Week... .

 

[92AWDHX40]

We all have our opinons i use a aeromotive afpr, i feel good i spent good money on the fuel system. Most people i know use the same brands when they work on their cars, not bashing some parts but all of us have choices.

 

[GSXTasy005]

I would also get a good afr gauge like a aem uego,if your not going to buy dsm link or an aem ems youre going to at the very least need a afc.

The AEM UEGO is complete trash, don't get it. There's about a thousand reasons why I'd never buy one. But as far as I'm concerned this is the only one I need:aemwb [ECMTuning - wiki]

I would recommend for quite a few different good reasons a Innovate Lc-1 over any AEM W/b gauge any day of the Week... .

Good advice right here!

We don't even know what kind of ebay FPr he has. My point is that a FPR is a pretty simple device. Definatly not very hard to reverse engineer. People like to point to the quality control in chinese factorys, but most companies have a quality control engineer stationed or making regualr visits to the plants building their products. I have lots of customers whos companies make all of their products in china, and my best friend has been living and selling financial products in china for the past 6 years. I myself have spent over 3 months in china between 2 different trips. My sister is a buyer for a huge industrial supply organization. they essentially do not even carry western made products anymore. People say," would you trust your engine to a chinese _______?" well you are trusting things that are a lot more important than car parts to chinese manufacturers. After you die, do you have a problem trusting a chinese made coffin to keep you from smelling for eternity?

I think most people bash this crap because they have absolutely nohting of value to post otherwise, and bashing a chinese product they have never used is a sure fire way to make a "valuable" post when you really having nothing intelligent or innovative to ad to the forum.

Your argument is ridiculous. People trust name brands from western suppliers for 2 reasons.
*First, if someone has a problem, they can pick up a phone and TALK TO A REAL EFFING PERSON.
*Second, because none of the western suppliers actually want to talk to angry customers, they do QUALITY CHECKS on their merchandise.

WHEN you have a problem with your AFPR, who are you going to call?

IF I have a problem with mine, I'm going to call fuel lab and talk to someone named Justin, or Frank, maybe Dave... Hell, I don't know who it will be, but you can be damn sure I'll understand what they're saying to me when they speak. And they'll offer great customer support!

 

[SP00LD]

We don't even know what kind of ebay FPr he has. My point is that a FPR is a pretty simple device. Definatly not very hard to reverse engineer. People like to point to the quality control in chinese factorys, but most companies have a quality control engineer stationed or making regualr visits to the plants building their products. I have lots of customers whos companies make all of their products in china, and my best friend has been living and selling financial products in china for the past 6 years. I myself have spent over 3 months in china between 2 different trips. My sister is a buyer for a huge industrial supply organization. they essentially do not even carry western made products anymore. People say," would you trust your engine to a chinese _______?" well you are trusting things that are a lot more important than car parts to chinese manufacturers. After you die, do you have a problem trusting a chinese made coffin to keep you from smelling for eternity?

I think most people bash this crap because they have absolutely nohting of value to post otherwise, and bashing a chinese product they have never used is a sure fire way to make a "valuable" post when you really having nothing intelligent or innovative to ad to the forum.

Where is your addition to this forum then? Because all I read is an opinionated rant of no real use, with nothing more. I HAVE ran an aeromotive knockoff, I HAVE had one fail after two months, and I now have a real aeromotive that is running great after 4 years. If my opinion is so offensive to you, at least counter with something informative, not a rant about Chinese coffins. Have a good one.

 

[MY1GDSM]

Let the products speak for themselves if anyone has a comment about a particular "ebay" part be specific as to exactly who's failed or worked and where it came from not all "knock off's" are equal. People need to just use common sense when purchasing parts... .

 

[Seamus]

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WHEN you have a problem with your AFPR, who are you going to call?

over the past 15 years or so, I have had the following "name brand" parts fail on me through no fault of my own within months of ownership. None of these manufacturers cared when I contacted them aobut the failure.

turbonetics t66
turbonetics deltagate
hks SS manifold cracked
aeromotive a1000 fuel pump sumped on a factory tank
Wolf 3d v3- would not pick up CAS signal with ANY type of trigger
MAP SS oil feed line hose end cracked at swivel
NUMEROUS SETS OF RC ENGINEERING INJECTORS THAT WERE CRAP from the start! They used to be basically the the only suppliers 1300cc+ low z injectors
Granny Speedshop engine cradle-had to rebuild the entire thing it wasn't EVEN CLOSE!
Thats about 8 grand worth of stuff from big names that was absolute garbage from the moment it showed up at my door.

Ohh and a set of quicktimes that showed up from the factory with a leak

Let the products speak for themselves if anyone has a comment about a particular "ebay" part be specific as to exactly who's failed or worked and where it came from not all "knock off's" are equal. People need to just use common sense when purchasing parts... .

Since we are on the subject, and you posted in here, I will say that it is very rare that a part or service exceeded my expectations. When you have messed with cars long enough, you just get used to setbacks or disappointments. Your services Stacy, have exceeded all my expectations.

 

[MY1GDSM]

Thanks for the kind words

 

[GSXTasy005]

over the past 15 years or so, I have had the following "name brand" parts fail on me through no fault of my own within months of ownership. None of these manufacturers cared when I contacted them aobut the failure.

*turbonetics t66
There's probably a reason that not too many people on this forum use turbonetics turbochargers, and I'll leave it at that.

*turbonetics deltagate
See above

*hks SS manifold cracked
I sincerely doubt HKS didn't want to hear about a failed product. Were you rude when you spoke with them? did you provide proof of purchase? was it within the warranty period?

*aeromotive a1000 fuel pump sumped on a factory tank
Again, I sincerely doubt that Aeromotive wouldn't want to hear about this. Shall I get them on the line and let them clear this up publicly?

*Wolf 3d v3- would not pick up CAS signal with ANY type of trigger
I can't speak too much about this product because I don't really know anything about it. However, during my quick research, there is a seemingly infinite amount of different CAS setups you can use, and each of them need to be configured for your specific application.

*MAP SS oil feed line hose end cracked at swivel
WTFThis is very ambiguous.
I'm not sure which kit you got, but if you had gotten a braided Stainless Steel I'm sure it was actually fine. Besides, from what I can see they don't sell anything that could "crack" Oil Lines :: Installation Accessories :: Turbochargers & Accessories :: DSM :: Mitsubishi :: Modern Automotive Performance Also worth noting, is that every time I've contacted Modern Automotive Performance, they've been nothing but helpful.

*NUMEROUS SETS OF RC ENGINEERING INJECTORS THAT WERE CRAP from the start! They used to be basically the the only suppliers 1300cc+ low z injectors
I currently have a set of RC injectors that work flawlessly. I just want to assure everyone that through my dealings with RC Engineering, their products and customer support is good

*Granny Speedshop engine cradle-had to rebuild the entire thing it wasn't EVEN CLOSE!
Name-Brand? After doing a little research, I found that this is a shop specializing in the niche-market of converting RX-7's and RX-8's to accept a V8. This seems like a mom & pop shop... They barely have a web-presence

Thats about 8 grand worth of stuff from big names that was absolute garbage from the moment it showed up at my door.

Ohh and a set of quicktimes that showed up from the factory with a leak

I said it before, and I'll say it again, your argument is invalid. just because you had a bad experience with someone does not make their product any less good. Your accusations seem rash and jaded, can you provide proof that you even attempted to contact the vendor(s)? What you're doing right here is slandering vendors, and it should honestly be put in the vendor reviews section (with HARD EVIDENCE of poor customer service, i.e. quotes taken from an ACTUAL E-Mail conversation, images of the failed product, proof that it wasn't your doing that ruined the product, etc.). Without grounds for your accusations, it's just hearsay and I hope no one actually takes you seriously. The added cost of a name-brand, quality product is there for a reason.

I'm not sure why you're trying to steer the less experienced in a direction that will cost them A LOT more money in the long-run. But you should really stop spreading misinformation. Some of the people you have mentioned on your list are vendors on this site. Would you like me to point them at your feedback? I'm sure they would love to publicly show how they do (in fact) provide excellent customer service. You should stop spreading lies/misinformation, before it blows up in your face.

If your argument actually held any water then these two items could yield the same results:

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I've made my share of mistakes buying eBay parts. It was a harsh reality, the day I realized that the interfooler I got off of eBay would need to be replaced with something that was actually a quality product.

To anyone reading this thread, Don't let this guy scare you away from buying quality parts. Just remember: "Do it right or do it twice"

Grr, sorry, I'm ranting now. It just irritates me that there are people out there who want to discredit legitimate business owners, who are doing great things for the DSM community.