EVO motor in a 1G TALON???? CAN IT BE DONE??

[91talonontsi]

i have a 91 non turbo talon and i want to make it a turbo. i was thinking about just buying the parts seperite and do it that way. but it will coast alot of money. it is just better to buy a turbo DSM. but i was thinking about doin a evo 7 or 8 motor. i think they are the same motor. first off is this even possible to do????? even if it is hard is it possible? second off is it even worth doing it. is the evo motor any better then the DSM motor. and also a friend told me that a evo has a 4G63 motor the same as our cars. so is it worth it? or should i just make my car a turbo from the motor i got now. my third opion i was thinking of is just getting a full swap for my car. new motor trans turbo ecu wire harness. so which out of the three is the best. make my motor i got now a turbo? a evo motor fit? or get a full motor swap off like ebay.

 

[Royalty]

umm if my memory serves me correctly the evo intake is on the left where ours is on the right.

and honestly IMO it would be expensive as hell.

 

[Tsi_User]

can it be done? Yes, it has been done but it's a waste of money IMO. It does use a 4G63 like ours, but it would be alot cheaper to just buy a 4G63 turbo or do a swap into your car. The exact same quesiton was posted a little while back.

Oh and the timing belt is on the other side of the engine in Evo 8s

 

[BOOstGhost]

it'll be cheaper just to buy a turbo DSM... you'll be happier too if you get an AWD DSM

 

[thekellbeast]

The engine spins the opposite direction, so you'd have only one forward gear, and the rest reverse. Also, teh engine is oriented backwards, so you'd have to do a shitload of fabrication. Possible? Yes. Worth it? Hell no.

 

[sweet97]

Buy a new talon that already has the turbo 4G63 as was stated a couiple posts earlier. Much cheaper. Sell the car you have or if you can swing it keep it for a daily driver. I've spent a bit starting out with an AWD '93 Talon. I could not imagine the cost of a transplant. Mark

 

[Morphius]

The engine spins the opposite direction, so you'd have only one forward gear, and the rest reverse. Also, teh engine is oriented backwards, so you'd have to do a shitload of fabrication. Possible? Yes. Worth it? Hell no.

To further clarify this HUGE misconception:

In respect to the engine, it spins the same direction as every other 4G63 on the planet. In respect to the vehicle, it spins the opposite direction because it's flipped to the opposite side.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Just buy a turbo car, It will be cheaper. They didnt make the basemodel non turbo's turbo for a reason.. And on a 4g63t, If you swap the engine you are just doing it for no reason, The motor is a good enough platform the way it is. I think your wasting your time.

 

[poorboyracing]

Hey 91 talontsi. It can be done. But the best way to do it is to get a evo 1-3 turbo engine and also transmission and driveshaft. They are a direct swap. I'm from the carribean and we have done that alot back home. Here is a website that may help u. wheelsjamaica.com. thanks oj

 

[1fast97gsx]

if you want an evo then buy an evo ... if you want a turbo dsm then buy a turbo dsm ... how hard is that?!?!?

 

[sytrus]

i've seen an evo motor in a hatchback o0

 

[91talonontsi]

if you want an evo then buy an evo ... if you want a turbo dsm then buy a turbo dsm ... how hard is that?!?!?

haha well its a little bit more complicated then that. i like doing odd things that not many people do. everbody has turbo dsm's but not many people would drop in a evo motor in them. it seems this is to much work then it is worth. this car is my daily driver and i wanted something cool and pretty fast. i wish it was a turbo but i got the car for $200. and it was almost perfict. so i mean i couldn't pass up the deal. i got a 92 taurus SHO for my fast car. so i was thinking about when my SHO is done i could use my talon as my next project.

will a EVO vavle cover fit on my car. cuz i could put in a turbo DSM motor in my car and then just put in a evo vavle cover. i think they look nice. so what you guys are saying is the motor is the oposite way then mine. when you are looking under the hood from the front the trans is on the left side. and on a evo it is on the right side??????? is this correct.

 

[My96AWD]

Hey 91 talontsi. It can be done. But the best way to do it is to get a evo 1-3 turbo engine and also transmission and driveshaft. They are a direct swap. I'm from the carribean and we have done that alot back home. Here is a website that may help u. wheelsjamaica.com. thanks oj

evo motors are direct bolt ins for a 2g not a 1g. they dont have the spots to put motor mounts on. so no you cant put an evo motor in a 1g, unless you want to figure out how to mount it up.

so what you guys are saying is the motor is the oposite way then mine. when you are looking under the hood from the front the trans is on the left side. and on a evo it is on the right side??????? is this correct.

only evo 1-3 look like ours. evo 4-8 are oppisite.

 

[martyboss]

do 6bolt turbo best what you can anyway

 

[91talonontsi]

yea i was gona say arn't the 2g car opposite from 1g cars. i wasn't sure so i chept my mouth shut . but still just to make ppl think i had a evo motor in my 1g after i do a turbo, will a evo valve cover fit on my 1g motor. will it fit on because the timing belt is on the opposite side then my car. it would look cool if it would.

 

[big green]

Looking under the hood of a 1g is like looking under the hood as an evoI-III, other then the biger turbo and a few other minor things, it's exactly the same

 

[DSMJim]

will a EVO vavle cover fit on my car. cuz i could put in a turbo DSM motor in my car and then just put in a evo vavle cover.

I'm acctually interested in knowing this as well, will an EVO cover fit our engines? I don't see why not but the lettering woudl be upside down on it. Anybody know for sure?

 

[1993eclipseGS]

The evo valve cover looked taller then our valvecovers, It might hit the hood?

 

[My96AWD]

I'm acctually interested in knowing this as well, will an EVO cover fit our engines? I don't see why not but the lettering woudl be upside down on it. Anybody know for sure?

i have seen it before

 

[Sourpatch]

ok then so it will fit then???

 

[blue1]

Why go through so much time and effort to put a arse about 7 bolt in your car????? But the valve cover does look better

 

[91talonontsi]

Why go through so much time and effort to put a arse about 7 bolt in your car????? But the valve cover does look better

yea that is what i thought about...... no point in doin the motor if it is the same damn thing..... duhhh but i thought the vavle cover looks really good so i guess im in the market for one now.

 

[1fast97gsx]

yea that is what i thought about...... no point in doin the motor if it is the same damn thing..... duhhh but i thought the vavle cover looks really good so i guess im in the market for one now.

you wanted to do an engine swap for a valve cover??????? And don't you have a n/t?!!?! Do a car swap ... then go from there buddy.

 

[RideBMX02]

Personaly, I think the evo motor in a 1g would be a waste of time and money. Would it be cool, hell yeah. But the evo motor and trans are mounted up on opposites sides(motor on the left)(tranny on the right) if you could over come this you would either have to make a totaly now mount system and have drive shafts made, not to mention dealing wth making it or getting rid of the all-wheel drive. Also the hood would be a big headache.

Or if you had an All-wheel Drive 1G, you could probably use the stock EVO 7-8 trans too. and run all-wheel drive. that would be the best if you really wanted to do this swap.

Your other option would be to find out if it would bolt up to a DSM tranny. But then the intake manifold would be in the front and the turbo in the back, so you would need to probably make some crazy, one of a kind intake manifold, cause I don't think the stock one would fit. Or find out if you can swap the cylinder heads. But half the glory of the EVO is a new, and better cylinder head that flows better.

If you really want an EVO motor in something, I'd buy a newer AWD DSM with the motor and trans already on the same sides. that would make life alot easier, and you wouldn't have to custom fabricate near as many parts.

Or you could buy an older EVO motor, like that other dude said. That would bolt right in and not really be a big deal.

You could always put EVO internals in your motor, thats what I did.

My verdict:
EVO 7-8 Motor in 1G DSM: not worth the time, money, headache. But it
would be different
EVO 7-8 Motor in newer year 2G DSM: haven't seen it yet, probably a whole
lot easier, and if I had the money and
the time, I'd probably do it
EVO 1-3 Motor in 1G DSM: same thing as the evo 8 in the 2G
Build your motor the way you want it or buy an AWD turbo DSM. Cheapest easiest and most cost effective it seems like, but if you really want to do an EVO 7-8 motor in a 1G I'd at least start out with an all-wheel drive car to make the tranny situation alot easier....

P.S. Sorry about the 8 page reply... later

 

[RideBMX02]

I think the bolt pattern on an evo valve cover is a little different, and there is not lettering on it, the valve cover is also the same hieght as the cam gears on a 1g, 2G, so clearance sounds like an issue. Next time I'm over buy the Mitsu dealer maybe I'll take some measurements and look a little closer, if it would fit, I'm all over that like a cheap suit.....