Evo 16g / big 16g?

[bhop]

I think my turbo is dying (t25), so I want to get an upgrade. I honestly don't know much about what to look for when buying turbos, but of course i'd like to learn.

I have used the search button, but couldn't find the info I was looking for.

Basically i'm wondering what the difference is in all the 16g turbos.. I've seen the small (which the difference in the others is pretty obvious), the EvoIII, and the "Big". I was considering the small from RRE since i'm FWD, I don't want to be spinning out all over the place, but i've read alot about the evo being good for FWD as well, but i've also looked into a couple big 16's for sale. Anyways, i'd just like to know the differences.

Also, tips as to what to look for in a used turbo would be great too.

thanks,
bhop

 

[SexyDSM95]

Check vfaq.com for all your questions on turbos, sizes, and the estimated HP of each.

Also, the biggest thing to look for on the turbo is shaft play. If you stick your fingers where the turbine wheel is and you can move it a lot, DO NOT BUY IT. If it's tight or just moves a teeny tiny bit then it's decent. You might also want to consider the size of the housing the the turbine wheel just in case you want to upgrade the actual turbo itself to get the maximum gain out of it.

 

[daveyfx]

I'm new to the game here but to me it would make sense to go with a more top-end oriented turbo such as the EVO 16g/Big 16g as opposed to something that's more low-end responsive for the sake of not spinning through your whole RPM range. Go for the 20g, sir

 

[SexyDSM95]

I'm new to the game here but to me it would make sense to go with a more top-end oriented turbo such as the EVO 16g/Big 16g as opposed to something that's more low-end responsive for the sake of not spinning through your whole RPM range. Go for the 20g, sir

What is the boost lag on the 20g compared to the Big 16G?

 

[NyQuiL07]

im almost in the same boat you are.
But for the price of a evo16g and the install kit, for a 100 more couldnt you get a bolton t3/t4? possibly the bullseye setup?

 

[jasoncitrano]

i bought the evo III over the summer and love it, i bought it from www.automotosports.com they ported/clipped and put a 34mm flapper door on it. got the whole set up for something like 620.00 something like that. i upgraded from a 13g though, and it was hell of a difference. The lag is there but it's not terrible, you can deal with it, once you hit full boost though it takes off, i'm boosting 20psi very comfortably right now and i love my evo.

also check this out http://www.slowboyracing.com/Mitsubishi Turbos/EVO 16g/Wheel_comparison.html

 

[SexyDSM95]

im almost in the same boat you are.
But for the price of a evo16g and the install kit, for a 100 more couldnt you get a bolton t3/t4? possibly the bullseye setup?

I know the T3/T4 garrett kit is $1200 or some price range around there. Now how is $650 for the turbo and $200 for the install kit $1200?

 

[NyQuiL07]

Bullseye
You go ahead and pay 1200, ill stick with this.

 

[SexyDSM95]

Bullseye
You go ahead and pay 1200, ill stick with this.

Oh heck no I am saving up for an FP Green. For a 50 trim I would not recommend getting an internally gated system but for that Bullseye sytem it would be ok.

If you read what I posted I was asking you how a $620 ported/clipped turbo and a $200 instsall kit equal up to $1200? Does that Bullseye system port/clip the turbo for you at that price?

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Get the t04b v-trim and their SS oil feed/drain lines you will need.. It will come out to the same price as a 16g with install kit and you will have room to grow.

 

[NyQuiL07]

If you read what I posted I was asking you how a $620 ported/clipped turbo and a $200 instsall kit equal up to $1200? Does that Bullseye system port/clip the turbo for you at that price?

Thats a good question considering you shot out the figure of 1200, not me. As far as their p/c job, if it already has more ability than the 16g i dont see a severe need to p/c it, but im pretty sure if you asked them they could do it.

 

[SexyDSM95]

Thats a good question considering you shot out the figure of 1200, not me. As far as their p/c job, if it already has more ability than the 16g i dont see a severe need to p/c it, but im pretty sure if you asked them they could do it.

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This is where I got it from and it's $1650 not $1200 my bad
T3/T4 Kit

And actually, if you read your post you thought for a couple hundred dollars more you could purchase a T3/T4.

im almost in the same boat you are.
But for the price of a evo16g and the install kit, for a 100 more couldnt you get a bolton t3/t4? possibly the bullseye setup?

 

[NyQuiL07]

the agp setup isnt bolton now is it?

also if thats your predetermined route, conisder piecing it together instead of buying somone elses kit, itll be quite cheaper for you.

 

[1998GSX]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138149&page=1&pp=25

its a very very long thread but has a lot of good info

 

[bhop]

Again, i've searched, but every answer I find seems to be specific to the posters car. I need to know more specifically for my car

I think I may go with the Evo 16g. Can you guys tell me exactly what i'll need for the upgrade? I'll make a list of what I 'think' I need, feel free to let me know what else may be necessary.

Current mods (other than suspension):
Greddy Type-S bov
HKS Intake
Apexi N1 catback
boost guage

What I think i'll need for the upgrade:
turbo
install kit (i'll probably spring for the full RRE kit since my car's old [new bolts and gaskets and stuff])
fuel pump (walbro, 190 or 255? I dunno which)
boost controller (probably go with a dejon)

As far as I can tell, this is all i'd need at first. Later on, when my bank account is replenished, i'd probably go for a downpipe and hi-flow cat to match my 3" catback.

I also need to know if this will all be a direct bolt on and drive venture? Will I need to get someone to tune it when it's all back together? (since I don't know how to do it myself)

 

[SexyDSM95]

Again, i've searched, but every answer I find seems to be specific to the posters car. I need to know more specifically for my car

I think I may go with the Evo 16g. Can you guys tell me exactly what i'll need for the upgrade? I'll make a list of what I 'think' I need, feel free to let me know what else may be necessary.

Current mods (other than suspension):
Greddy Type-S bov
HKS Intake
Apexi N1 catback
boost guage

What I think i'll need for the upgrade:
turbo
install kit (i'll probably spring for the full RRE kit since my car's old [new bolts and gaskets and stuff])
fuel pump (walbro, 190 or 255? I dunno which)
boost controller (probably go with a dejon)

As far as I can tell, this is all i'd need at first. Later on, when my bank account is replenished, i'd probably go for a downpipe and hi-flow cat to match my 3" catback.

I also need to know if this will all be a direct bolt on and drive venture? Will I need to get someone to tune it when it's all back together? (since I don't know how to do it myself)

The bolt-on kit RRE sells just re-assures that everything will bolt up to your car. You might want to consider also getting:
> SAFC/Datalogger or DSMLink (if you can afford) You need to tune
> EGT Gauge
> Port your Mani and your 02 (Or just get an Evo 02, maybe the RRE install kit comes with it unsure)
> 2.5"- 3" DP finish your exhaust
> Larger injectors (the Evo ones 480 I think? or 550cc would be better)
> 255lph Fuel pump if what you want to go with, can support up to 500hp I believe.
> Heavier/Better clutch (you will want launch without slipping trust me...)
*Edit:* You might also want to consider getting an upgraded SMIC (Supra or Dejon) or just going for a FMIC, the stock one is okay but after you start boosting to 18-20psi constantly and just beating the crap out of your car the stock SMIC may overheat.

 

[WhiteCloud]

All of SexyDSM's tips are good ones, but not necessary right off the bat. If I were you, I would do this:
-EvoIII 16g: $600 ported, shipped, 34 mm flapper mod (helps run lower boost w/o creep)
-install kit (piece it together yourself and save some money, IMO)
-used pocketloggers setup (I saw a cable and software being sold for $75 on DSMtrader yesterday)

If you have some money left over, this will help you run another 5 psi safely right away:
-Evo8 560cc injectors ($150 shipped from EvolutionM.net, low mileage used)
-SAFC/SAFC2 ($200)

**The logger is important, especially if you are going to be running this turbo on stock fuel components**

That is my setup, and I have a 190 lph waiting to go in. I've pinned the boost gauge at 20 with the Evo16g and stock fuel pump, 93 octane, just the 560cc injectors, with no ill effects. If I were running stock 450s and the stock pump, I would not run over 15 psi on this turbo.

Bhop, I think you will love the turbo. Lag isn't as bad as people say--If you're in the right gear, you won't have lag It will be perfect for a fwd daily driver, IMO, and when you have a well-setup car you will have 320-350hp to the wheels in a reliable street car, without having to build internals.

EDIT>> To further elaborate on SexyDSM's clutch comments--my car had a new factory clutch with 3k miles when I bought it in March of last year. I've had my EvoIII 16g on the car for a month, with no trouble getting the power to the wheels. Granted, I do not launch the car hard often, even though I'm awd, and I don't drive like a maniac. But if you're like most fwd guys, and just enjoy doing strong pulls from a roll, the stock clutch will be fine for while.