Cams are next... do comps 101200's drop right in??

[domenico_169]

k well i am gonna buy some cams... either hks or comp 101200's. Ive read threads where some say the comps drop right in, and some that say they dont. i know the hks do. but from what i read for the price and gains the comps are the way to go. Any input please. and right after the cams im putting in a magnus intake manifold. which means ill need 650's or 750's now. or should i scrap the manifold now and get a bigger turbo setup? hahaha, i know im asking alot. but im not sure what to do.

 

[arash15]

k well i am gonna buy some cams... either hks or comp 101200's. Ive read threads where some say the comps drop right in, and some that say they dont. i know the hks do. but from what i read for the price and gains the comps are the way to go. Any input please. and right after the cams im putting in a magnus intake manifold. which means ill need 650's or 750's now. or should i scrap the manifold now and get a bigger turbo setup? hahaha, i know im asking alot. but im not sure what to do.

well set some goals or somethin man. budget?e.t.?hp? then you can plan accordingly.

 

[KRAZYKOREAN]

HKS>COMPS no comparison

 

[hellotbone]

HKS>COMPS no comparison

You might want to back that up with some searching and proof.

 

[90blacktsiawd]

Yes comp 200's will drop right in. Im not sure if your refering to dropping them in straight up refering to the cam position itself or wether stock springs and retianers can handle them. Either way the answer is yes. I actually just put these in my car.

 

[domenico_169]

can other people back this up also... thanks 90blacktsiawd. did you feel a BIG difference with these cams? im running the evoIII right now and im not sure if i wanna keep going with this turbo or sell it and get a bigger one. dont know what turbo to go with if i do. cause im sure i can sell my evo for still a decent amount. but then wouldnt i need a new manifold and all that junk with a bigger turbo. i wanna run 12's with slicks. i guess im willing to spend about a thousand bucks or a little more right now. considering if i sell my turbo for around 400 i can go with a turbo upgrade. if not ill do cams and/or intake manifold. im just at a stop cause i thought i would be done modding by now... but of course not...hahaha. you guys know how it is. and lastly i dont wanna start touching the inside of the engine like pistons and stuff, my neighbour just replaced my piston rings and shit for free, and i had NO money at the time do do anything internally at the time, and now that i have the money i dont wanna take it apart again, so thats not an option right now. thanks for any input and sorry for the long post.

 

[90blacktsiawd]

can other people back this up also... thanks 90blacktsiawd.

There are definately other people that can back this up. I did my research for a couple weeks on here and dsmtalk before i made the purchase. There are more than just me with these cams on a stock head without adj. cam gears.

did you feel a BIG difference with these cams?

I honestly can't tell you yet. I'm having a problem with stuttering at 4k rpms so i haven't gotten to feel the pull yet. I will say that there has been a noticable loss in the low end power off boost. Of course i didn't get these for the low end power. I got them for the top end power. I'll let you know how i like them after i get my bugs worked out.

 

[arash15]

can other people back this up also... thanks 90blacktsiawd. did you feel a BIG difference with these cams? im running the evoIII right now and im not sure if i wanna keep going with this turbo or sell it and get a bigger one. dont know what turbo to go with if i do. cause im sure i can sell my evo for still a decent amount. but then wouldnt i need a new manifold and all that junk with a bigger turbo. i wanna run 12's with slicks. i guess im willing to spend about a thousand bucks or a little more right now. considering if i sell my turbo for around 400 i can go with a turbo upgrade. if not ill do cams and/or intake manifold. im just at a stop cause i thought i would be done modding by now... but of course not...hahaha. you guys know how it is. and lastly i dont wanna start touching the inside of the engine like pistons and stuff, my neighbour just replaced my piston rings and shit for free, and i had NO money at the time do do anything internally at the time, and now that i have the money i dont wanna take it apart again, so thats not an option right now. thanks for any input and sorry for the long post.

well from what I'm assuming, you are fwd. the evo 3 will get you into the 12's and the cams will definitely help you alot. i wouldn't be so much worried about making tons of power yet because you have to get that power to the ground. loook into some suspension upgrades, besides the springs you already have. also polyurethane bushings does wonders for the fwd cars. I'd look into that if i where you. then if you are still bored with the car, a bigger turbo, like a 50 trim or bigger will really help because of the lag compared to the 16g you got. so you wont be roasting your tires and you'll be putting the power to the ground. where its supposed to be.

 

[spoolin16g]

I would not be worried about the intake manifold at this time. You don't need a bigger intake manifold for a bigger turbo. I am not sure where you heard that. There are plenty of fast cars with the stock intake manny. save the money for a bigger turbo and the cams.

 

[KRAZYKOREAN]

You might want to back that up with some searching and proof.

Hmm all you can say can you backit up, anyeone with HKS cams never have a complaint and they always have proven Horsepower, What do I need to prove or post, HKS make power, they are drop in, what else tis there please post yourself MR wisman, I dont see how my post wasnt helpful, since more people run the HKS cams the comp cams not only that they are ALWAYS proven. so please instead of posting back up your info post why HKS dont do what they are suppose too.

 

[sweet97]

I nhave run the Comp 200's and they did not operform to my expectations. Even sent them to Comp to havce them tested as they did not idle doifferently and vacuum only dropped 2". Went with the HKS 272's and BIG difference. Vacuum is 12" and I have an 8lb. FidANZA FLYWHEEL. iDLES AT 900-950 JUST FINE but you know you have cams with a mild lope. The Comps would have to have been degreed for me. Mark

 

[ChicksDigBoost]

Why were the Comps/FPs not tested staight up like the HKS cams? It looks like the intake was retarded and the exhaust advanced.

 

[NewB2dsm]

Yes they should drop in, you might want to think about some springs for them since they have a pretty high lift.

Also comp > hks

My 100's made 15awhp over stock on pump and 35awhp over stock on race gas, on the small 16g.

 

[hellotbone]

Why don't you post something that of actual value to the presented question. Just because everyone's doing it does not make it any better. It actually prevents growth because people are affraid to pioneer things. These dyno sheets are exactly why I'm not running HKS cams in my car.

Here is a drop in dyno.

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Here is a dialed dyno.

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See KrazyKorean I didn't even have to do any work to prove my point. Others did it for me.

 

[talon_boy69]

but those straight up are the 101100's

 

[snox135]

The problem with a dyno graph is...
#1 They are only as accurate as the user wants it to be.
#2 A lot of people tend to ignore 95% of the data on the graph, only paying attention to peak HP. (I'm not implying any of you so don't be offended)
#3 Some people interput them as real world results. Because they perform better on the dyno they will perform better on the street or track, which is not true. (Again, I don't know any of you so I'm not implying that this is any of you)

I personally have witnessed products that you would think will outperm the other on the track because of there dyno results. But the track results were completely diffrent. They did the track runs and dyno runs were done multiple times to validate them.

Looking at the dyno graphs of the cams IMO the HKS would make a better street/road race cam then the other two. So which is the better cam is a lot up to what that individual is doing with there car.

I know some will argue that dyno's don't lye. In reality they don't it's the operator that is lying to the dyno which in return will give you false readings.

 

[snox135]

Maybe if you would read the hole thing you would realize that I'm not saying that FP uses an inaccurate dyno. I'm not even suggesting that Fp's dyno results are inaccurate but when viewing there results on cams that have a vested interest in verse the competition you have to take that into consideration. Fp seems to be a pretty reputable company that wouldn't do something like that.

The problem with dyno's are you can make them read the number you want. Now if you don't believe this you obviously don't have allot of experience with dyno's or you don't know any dyno operators real well.

Dyno's don't run on pixie dust they are computers that will only give an accurate result if accurate data is given to it.

 

[suicidal2af]

I nhave run the Comp 200's and they did not operform to my expectations. Even sent them to Comp to havce them tested as they did not idle doifferently and vacuum only dropped 2". Went with the HKS 272's and BIG difference. Vacuum is 12" and I have an 8lb. FidANZA FLYWHEEL. iDLES AT 900-950 JUST FINE but you know you have cams with a mild lope. The Comps would have to have been degreed for me. Mark

Uh...they didn't perform to your expectations because they didn't make your car idle lopey?

Compared to HKS, they have a smaller duration but higher lift. They're going to idle better due to less overlap.

Did you dyno with the comps? Because if not, you really don't have any way to measure how they performed.

 

[sweet97]

Uh...Greg they did not perform to my expectations because they did not perform any more than stock, no pull whatsoever. I mentioned the lope because I got none and Chris from Comp cams who designed the cams said I woulkd get a noticeable lope, nothing, idled like stock. The 200's have only 1* less duration, 212* for comp 200's and 213* for the HKS cams. Lifts are within .01x". The actual specs can be found on previous HKS/comp/cam threads.
Yeah I was looking for some lope, was actually worried I would get too much. The HKS cams, the 272's, have a mild lope at a 900RPM idle. Also the comps only dropped the vacuum at idle from 18" to 16", while the HKS idle at 12".
I am in no way knocking the Comp's. Specs are about identical to the HKS 272's or the 264's for the 100's. I would expect the Comps to have a more modern cam lobe design.
They could make more power as Comp's dyno tests have shown, just didn't work for ME and if I presented it any differently than that I APOLOGIZE. The price is better and specs nearly identical.
David buschur who built my motor said to go with HKS or Crowers though he prefered the HKS cams. I trusted his experience and he has a dyno. I suggested to Chris at Comp that his sales dept. consider sending Buschur a complimentary set of Comp 200's for dyno testing as Buschur is a well known name in the DSM community and would give an impartial testing.
In MY case if I went with the HKS cams first I would have saved a couple hundred dollars as that is what I lost selling the comp's. Mark
PS: Chris at Comp suggested degreeing the cams, Buschur said he never had to degree the HKS cams due to their machining which was always right on. Of course the comps should be right on with CNC machining also so perhaps the old HKS cams are still good cams to use. I would also be pleased if the comps performed like 30+ HP wopuld as thsat would have saved me what we are all looking for, a better/equal product for less cash! best of luck to all !