97 Gs Or Rs.

[97' GS-T]

Ok, I have come to the conclusion in buying a N/A Eclipse.

N/A Eclipse - Pros
1. Saves in gas which is 3.64/G Here - Thats not premium thats 87 Oct.
2. Since it is 2,500 less to buy used I can get my new smokin Eclipse in half the time if N/A
3. Since it is N/A That means less mod parts needed to buy, waste gate, boost controller...
4. In the factors of "crankwalk" I believe N/A is half the power of Turbo so therefore it would have less wear n tear effect on the crank n bearing meaning again less money needed.
5. It still has the sexy looks of the Eclipse N/A OR Turbo.
6. Same size motor!
7. Still all the same everything else just N/A.

Cons -
1. Not near the torque or whp capabilities.
2. Harder on engine components due to the lack of non force induction.
3. Lack of race potential and spirit.
4. Slower in the long run.

I accept the cons. Here is my situation. I make about anywhere from 500-850 a month at my job. yea. . Therefore it is taking quite a long time to come up with 6,500 for the turbo as in 3,000 for the N/A. This is my first car, so I am most definatly not looking for 650 WHP and 18 PSI Boost. I am never going to take it to proffesional drags or tracks. Basically I am a 17 year old who absolutly LOVES the looks of the 2G Eclipse. I am more into the interior and exterior modding right now. But see, its not right to have 8,000 into looks with no go. So I want to have a little power in my hands if I need to move. But I dont need 165 mph. Below is a list of my Exterior, Interior, and performance mods I would like to put on my N/A Car. Please leave comments about my chosen parts, if you think I should buy the N/A or Turbo and why, and if I do buy the N/A Do I buy the RS or GS. Thank you.

Exterior
1. Erebuni Full 364 Body Kit - 1,000
2. Front Bumper AA's Grill - 30.00
3. Seibon XT Carbon Fiber Racing Hood - 400.00
4.Sparco Racing Hood Clips Anodized Blue - 30.00
5. Erebuni Fiber Glass Vented Front Fenders (2) - 240.00
6. Arospeed Fiberglass Side Mirrors (2) - 65.00
7. Bully Skull Chrome Rear View Mirror - 35.00
8. AutoTechnica Chrome Skull License Plate cover
9. Cover Craft 98' GS-T Car Cover - 200.00
10. APR Evolution Dual Aluminum Spoiler - 330.00
11. Lite Glow Neon Underglow Kit - 185.00
12. Altezza Front Head lights (2)- 260.00
13. Altezza Rear Lights - 165.00
14.Enkie RS6 Racing 6-spoke Rims - (4) - 600.00
15.Toyo T-S1 Racing Tires - 860.00
16. Window Tint Full - 300.00
17. Eibach Racing Sportline Springs - 270.00
18. Door Decals - 50.00

Interior
1. Matrix Anodized Blue Emergency Brake Handel - 22.00
2. APC Racing Chrome Lighter - 15.00
3.Momo Racing Steering wheel Hub Adapter - 67.00
4.Momo Racing Steering Wheel - 260.00
5.Matrix Dark Blue Rubber Shift Boot- 22.00
6.Sparco Pro 2000 Competion Racing Seats - (2) - 1,200
7.Sparco Universal Seat bracket - 67.00
8.Sparco Universal Seat Sliders - 50.00
9.Sparco Seat Belt Harnesses - (2) - 200.00
10.Matrix Racing Fire Extinguishers (2) Chrome - 140.00
11.Momo Racing Carbon Fiber / Aluminum Shift Knob - 90.00
12. Matrix Blue and Black Rubber Foot mats (4) - 30.00
13. Sparco Passenger Aluminum Foot Rests- 70.00
14. Sparco Racing Foot Pedals Curva - 30.00
15.Sparco Dead Pedal - 35.00
16. SPW 80 MM White Face Tach - 208.00
17. Toucan Turbo Gage - 55.00
18. Toucan Water Temp Gage - 55.00
19. Toucan Voltage gage - 55.00
20. APC Carbon Fiber Tripod - 40.00
21.Sony Indash Cd Player - 140.00
22. Sony XPLOD 12" SubWoofer - 100.00
23. Sony XPLOD 6"x 9" 320 Watt Speakers - (2) 70.00
24. Sony VAIO Pentium M 1.9 GHZ Laptop - 1,400

Performance
1. AEM V2 Cold Air Intake
2. Greddy 4-1 Racing Headers
3. Hahn Racecraft 600CC Fuel Injectors
4.Venom Racing Fuel Module
5. Greddy Evo2 Cat-Back Exhaust
6. Fidanza 4-point 3clutch
7. Unorthodox racing underdrive crank pulley
8. Unorthodox Ultra L Racing Flywheel
9. Unorthodox race cam gears
10. Stillen Front or Rear strut bar???????????????????
11. Energy Suspension Poly Motor mounts
12.Crower Titanium valve springs
13. HKS Racing cams exhaust or intake? 264? 272?

Sorry it was so boring and long, the wife doesnt want to hear it either.

 

[justin0469]

If you want to save money, then get the NA. But if you are going to mod it out, just get the turbo. Those mods arent going to get you anywhere with NA. Alot of them are just looks or serve no actual practical purpose especially in a street driven car.
It sounds more like you should get a GS, because it has all the options, practical and cheap. Save your money.

 

[Jeremoose]

Ok, I have come to the conclusion in buying a N/A Eclipse.

N/A Eclipse - Pros
1. Saves in gas which is 3.64/G Here - Thats not premium thats 87 Oct.
2. Since it is 2,500 less to buy used I can get my new smokin Eclipse in half the time if N/A
3. Since it is N/A That means less mod parts needed to buy, waste gate, boost controller...
4. In the factors of "crankwalk" I believe N/A is half the power of Turbo so therefore it would have less wear n tear effect on the crank n bearing meaning again less money needed.
5. It still has the sexy looks of the Eclipse N/A OR Turbo.
6. Same size motor!
7. Still all the same everything else just N/A.

Cons -
1. Not near the torque or whp capabilities.
2. Harder on engine components due to the lack of non force induction.
3. Lack of race potential and spirit.
4. Slower in the long run.

Keep in mind while the NA cars and turbo cars have the same SIZE of motors, they are entirely different. The turbo cars sport a 4G63 while the NA's have a 420a..

That being said, after reading your long mod-list, I would suggest just saving and getting the turbo car now. I wouldn't settle for something less than what you want, just save up and that perfect DSM will come along.

 

[97' GS-T]

FINE. . FINE. I cant believe it , everyone has told me the turbo the turbo so FINE YOU ALL CRAZY PEOPLE ILL BUY THE 6,500 DOLLAR CAR. . FINE. Now what about mods..

 

[president95]

The tech guide is a great way to go about modding

 

[dr1ftx3]

I'd definately wait out the turbo, I mean, I already regret skimping out 1 or 2 g's and getting FWD instead of AWD I can't imagine what i'd be thinking if I got a N/A....I'd say get the car, get used to the feel, then start thinking about basic mods. As said earlier, a perfect guide for your modding needs is the tech guide. Here ya go Tech guide

 

[wvturbo2]

one of the cons on the 420a could be oil leaks my friend replaced all his gaskets n that motor still leaks oil.. not as bad but damn its serious, the car was a 99 Gs and i couldnt even mash on it, unlike all my other cars. if i had to go na id get the one with the 4g64 in it. u can at least bolt up the manifold n 14 b to that. my 64 made like 200 whp n 260 wtq, but then again it was running a 75 shot ... either way get the turbo n ull be happy. the little bit more u pay for gas will make u realize the stock gs-t or gsx will beat the modded n/a everytime

 

[elfroggo]

Hey, it really helps to just have patience and working towards your goal.
In life you will not often be able to get what you want right here, right now, so what's wrong with saving for a year or so?

At 17, I would recommend getting the GS over a turbocharged model. As you said, you care more about looks than high performance. Yes, you will not be as fast, but with the 420a you can still have some grunt and make it sound sporty.

You will save a lot more on gas both in mpg and in being able to use regular if you got a GS.

You will save more money in maintenance costs.
Modifying the 4g63 will make it more likely to break.
Being turbocharged puts more stress on components making them more likely to break. The 420a is very reliable in comparison.

I see you have done some research in parts for the car, but I think you still have a ways to learn. Right now, it's really a mishmash of items.

Of course, appearance is subjective and up to you, but do rethink adding an aluminum wing, altezzas, decals, underglow, skull themed dress up items. It takes a good eye to make exterior mods mesh together well.

If you are going to buy gauges, make them a good reliable brand or else they are useless.
Racing seats, do you really want to spend 1200 on a pair of seats?
It's not a good idea to change out your factory airbag equipped steering wheel with an aftermarket wheel.
What do you need the laptop for?

On your performance mod list:
600cc injectors, on a N/A you will never reach the potential need for 600cc. You simply don't need that much fuel.
You really don't need cams or valve springs eitther.
I would just go with basic bolt-ons for a show oriented car. Stick with intake, header, exhaust and leave the rest alone. That way you will still be making some noise and have some improved performance, and not spend a lot.

The GS is a good choice for a reliable good looking car.

 

[president95]

With all that money into mods, you could have just bought a turbo dsm. If you love the looks of an eclipse, why ruin it w/ body kits and whatnot? A NT is a great first car, plain and simple. I think you'll soon realize that all of your interior and exterior mods are pretty much a waste, and that there is much more to it than just bolting some exterior mod on. At least go with a 5 speed so you can have some fun.

I had a GS, never any major issues (after the engine rebuild ), and I would definetly recommend one to you if you want a decent gas milage, good looking car that is still faster than your basic honda. If you go with a nt, look for a GS, as they have much more comfort options, like power windows, locks, cc, sideskirts, ect. Goodluck with your search pal.

 

[president95]

Basically I am a 17 year old ...

the wife doesnt want to hear it either.

Also, Whats this about?

 

[TSIMonsteR]

you have $3,000 worth of useless mods right there!! At that point, you might as well have bought the turbo car... Don't buy it if you are going to rice it out though. If you like the look of a 2g sooooo much, why change it?

 

[ilikespeeding]

600 cc injectors is way overkill for a nonturbo. If you care about the looks only, then get the N/T. If you care about performance, get the 1G turbo. If you care about both, like I do then get the 98 turbo.

 

[shiftdrift06]

From what I read, I think you suit an NA model. Your not all into performance and just like the Eclipse styling. However in my opinion if you were to get an turbo factory Eclipse, get an AWD model. Otherwise deciding between an GS and RS. Definately get an GS. You would not beleive how much a downgrade an RS is from looks, luxury, power options and even suspension. Plus it looks awful when you have nice rims, and see drum brakes behind them.

 

[markGSX]

Good advice I think from the posts so far. I just don't understand the idea behind getting the NT to save money (you noted using 87 octane etc), yet you're willing to spend $140 on "chrome racing fire extinguishers" and a $15 "chrome racing cigarette lighter".

 

[crazy_skier]

yeah, definatly get the GS and turbo it, unless you want to have awd, because one of my friends has a 98 rs and another has a 95 gs and there is a huge difference. The seats are nicer (until you replace), the ride is alot better and the gs also has a rear sway bar. Also, you have color matched door handles instead of black plastic which looks like crap. Last thing, the rs has power nothing and the "all black interior", in the 98 comes with a grey bottom dash, grey carpet, grey seats and trunk, so all you are getting is the black dash, center council, and door panels.

 

[DGajre777]

you have $3,000 worth of useless mods right there!! At that point, you might as well have bought the turbo car... Don't buy it if you are going to rice it out though. If you like the look of a 2g sooooo much, why change it?

^^^ Exactly.

Are you trying to make show car? I am not going to sugar coat things, I'd rather give you an honest opinion. If you don't like it, just know that it is an opinion.


2. Front Bumper AA's Grill - 30.00
6. Arospeed Fiberglass Side Mirrors (2) - 65.00
24. Sony VAIO Pentium M 1.9 GHZ Laptop - 1,400


WTF
5. Erebuni Fiber Glass Vented Front Fenders (2) - 240.00
7. Bully Skull Chrome Rear View Mirror - 35.00
8. AutoTechnica Chrome Skull License Plate cover
10.Matrix Racing Fire Extinguishers (2) Chrome - 140.00



10. APR Evolution Dual Aluminum Spoiler - 330.00
11. Lite Glow Neon Underglow Kit - 185.00
12. Altezza Front Head lights (2)- 260.00
13. Altezza Rear Lights - 165.00
1. Matrix Anodized Blue Emergency Brake Handel - 22.00
2. APC Racing Chrome Lighter - 15.00



18. Door Decals - 50.00

 

[eldiabloz13]

uhh 2 extinguishers to be exact. Now whats the point of a lot of that stuff. Sparco seat belt harness...a 3 or 4 point harness i presume...how will that be good in any way if your not racing. Also what would you need to extinguishers for if you have a fire in your eletrical that gets so bad that you need TWO just to put it out id just let the thing burn to the ground because to fix what it ruins will cost more then your insurance payment going up. Plus if a gas line in ## engine bay goes up hahahah id run the hell outa there before i even looked at that extinguisher. sony vaio laptop. My friend uses that stuff for video production on skateboarding why would you use it on your car. A palm piolet would be enough or just a cheap dell top. With all that stuff added up i think it would be 3-4 grand on its own. Trust me from on N/T owner to another. You will be soooo mad when your coming onto the highway and you need to put it into THIRD JUST SO you can beat the 18 wheeler that dosent move his lazy a$$ over for you . Turbo is awesome and thats why im getten a tsi awd. Also for the people with FWD turbo.....awd is better but so is a porche then a dsm but we stick with what we have because no matter how much or how little it cost its still fun as hell to drive.


WHOOAA racing chrome lighter!?!?!.......why on earth would you need that for racing. Can anyone tell me the benifits of that. I guess all that boost makes the lighters pop out also as well at the dipsticks

 

[97' GS-T]

Ok, Check it out. The wife thing was a joke.
Yea so anyways, All I am saying is this.
I know that everyone here does not promote street racing but too bad thats what this is about.
I respect all dsm's and even though I am 17 I happen to be one of the only who hates honda civics. I hate the little mexicans runnin 1.6 liter engine civics with there plastic burger king cup pipe. I love the 97-98 Eclipse Because of alot of things. I want to change the body. I said in a previous post, it is my favorite "moddable" car. Meaning with the right amount of parts it could be the sexiest thing in california. I DO love performance. I DO love speed. But all I tried to say was, since I respect dsm's and hate little racing hondas around here at least I have the balls to save for a real car. I think I and you all can agree the 2G Eclipse NT or T is still that much better then a little civic. I hate the hondas around here I live in cali so thats all that runs, its like little bees. When I put a exhaust system on the 2G I dont want it to sound like a pissed off wasp. I want it to be extremly deep and clean. My main point was since I AM 17, I will be using the car to go to school, to college later, maybe to go back east, and of course anything else GF stuff, all that. I wont really ever have the time for actual Track racing, or pink slip drags n stuff. My point was, since I love the 2G eclipse, DONT WANT TO pay 4.00 a Gallon for premium ALL the time, do not absolutly do not NEED 650-700 whp nor a 10 second car. I want to make the NT 2G eclipse all Riced out. I do. I want the 18 inch enkeis, the body kit, all of it. But I cant have a totally riced out 2G Eclipse with no power. If I pull up to a light all lookin clean and bad and have NO power to beat the CAI civic next to me. So I am asking you guyz, in my situation if I bought a 2G non turbo, I could get it sooner in almost half the time as the 2G turbo, It would save in gas money, and its still the same body and nice looks just not as much power. But see, 650 whp and a 10 sec car ISNT the power I need. But I need about 300 whp 13 seconds... My questions are, If I put that headers, Cat back exhaust, cams, valve springs, CAI, HIGH fuel pump and like 500 CC injectors can I have enough power to beat that 18 wheeler on the freeway and the typical civics? I am getting a 5 speed so yea... Thanks guys.

 

[cHz]

You aren't getting 300whp out of a N/T Eclipse, unless you put a turbo on it.

 

[Jeremoose]

Ok, Check it out. The wife thing was a joke.
Yea so anyways, All I am saying is this.
I know that everyone here does not promote street racing but too bad thats what this is about.
I respect all dsm's and even though I am 17 I happen to be one of the only who hates honda civics. I hate the little mexicans runnin 1.6 liter engine civics with there plastic burger king cup pipe. I love the 97-98 Eclipse Because of alot of things. I want to change the body. I said in a previous post, it is my favorite "moddable" car. Meaning with the right amount of parts it could be the sexiest thing in california. I DO love performance. I DO love speed. But all I tried to say was, since I respect dsm's and hate little racing hondas around here at least I have the balls to save for a real car. I think I and you all can agree the 2G Eclipse NT or T is still that much better then a little civic. I hate the hondas around here I live in cali so thats all that runs, its like little bees. When I put a exhaust system on the 2G I dont want it to sound like a pissed off wasp. I want it to be extremly deep and clean. My main point was since I AM 17, I will be using the car to go to school, to college later, maybe to go back east, and of course anything else GF stuff, all that. I wont really ever have the time for actual Track racing, or pink slip drags n stuff. My point was, since I love the 2G eclipse, DONT WANT TO pay 4.00 a Gallon for premium ALL the time, do not absolutly do not NEED 650-700 whp nor a 10 second car. I want to make the NT 2G eclipse all Riced out. I do. I want the 18 inch enkeis, the body kit, all of it. But I cant have a totally riced out 2G Eclipse with no power. If I pull up to a light all lookin clean and bad and have NO power to beat the CAI civic next to me. So I am asking you guyz, in my situation if I bought a 2G non turbo, I could get it sooner in almost half the time as the 2G turbo, It would save in gas money, and its still the same body and nice looks just not as much power. But see, 650 whp and a 10 sec car ISNT the power I need. But I need about 300 whp 13 seconds... My questions are, If I put that headers, Cat back exhaust, cams, valve springs, CAI, HIGH fuel pump and like 500 CC injectors can I have enough power to beat that 18 wheeler on the freeway and the typical civics? I am getting a 5 speed so yea... Thanks guys.

Don't expect any huge gains out of your NT dsm. Also, keep in mind you were asking us which dsm you should go for, so we simply gave you our honest answers

Keep in mind as well, that if you want to rice with a few simple boltons (intake, exhaust, headers) then a civic would likely give you better gains than a dsm...

 

[Raph]

look,if you buy the nt, youd have to turbo it,and then spend just as much gas money,so..

and its gonna be a 420a nt,not a 4g63nt(heh heh,we were lucky to get that motor..easy turbo conversion)

so my point is,either way you are going to spend the money,and it will be more than you think.

if you cant afford it,dont do..buy a scion tc and supercharge or turbo it.

 

[Raph]

^^^ Exactly.

Are you trying to make show car? I am not going to sugar coat things, I'd rather give you an honest opinion. If you don't like it, just know that it is an opinion.


2. Front Bumper AA's Grill - 30.00
6. Arospeed Fiberglass Side Mirrors (2) - 65.00
24. Sony VAIO Pentium M 1.9 GHZ Laptop - 1,400


WTF
5. Erebuni Fiber Glass Vented Front Fenders (2) - 240.00
7. Bully Skull Chrome Rear View Mirror - 35.00
8. AutoTechnica Chrome Skull License Plate cover
10.Matrix Racing Fire Extinguishers (2) Chrome - 140.00



10. APR Evolution Dual Aluminum Spoiler - 330.00
11. Lite Glow Neon Underglow Kit - 185.00
12. Altezza Front Head lights (2)- 260.00
13. Altezza Rear Lights - 165.00
1. Matrix Anodized Blue Emergency Brake Handel - 22.00
2. APC Racing Chrome Lighter - 15.00



18. Door Decals - 50.00

to thread starter.. this guy has a point here...
your gonna want to buy the gs.

 

[dr1ftx3]

Listen man i'm 17, gonna be 18 in a month. My gs-t is my first car, as long as you are a responsible driver, you can get yourself a turbo car and stay out of trouble. But I don't really understand what you are going for with a N/A eclipse. You are saying that you want a 13 sec timeslip and 300 hp to the wheels? With my turbo upgrade full tune and everything i'll be lucky to hit just over 300 with my TURBO. If you want rice, which seems to be what you really want...get the N/A and close this thread. If you actully want power, the answer is really simple...get a turbo. You're gonna waste wayyyy more money trying to make a N/A only get up to the potential of a stock turbo model.

 

[MyBeatGSX]

Wow, that was interesting. I'll spare any rice comments, because I remember we all (those of us that aren't hicks) went through the rice stage, including me.

So here's my cliffnoted advice.

Stop crying about gas prices, an extra 20 cents is well worth triple the power.

You will not hit 300hp nor 13's in an NT. It will take 5x the money and effort that it would with a turbo car.

You WILL kill yourself with a 300hp car, this is not a joke and should be taken seriously.

The insurance WILL be out of this world for a 17yr old with a GSX/GS-T.

A turbo car WILL break alot, even an NT will probably break more than
the average car, make sure you can afford the repairs.

Aside from all that, everyone knows I'm the resident Honda lover. And I can tell you honestly. Almost any model of Civic will SMOKE an N/T DSM, especially a porky 2G. Even with bolt ons, a stock Si will hand you your ass without even trying. Now just add that extra 700lbs of audio and body kits, and you have no chance, modded or not.

Do you realize if you added up everything on that mod list you could have a NICE down payment on an Evo? Add in the cost of the car and you could probably get a used WRX out the door cash.

But this is me now talking, not me when I was you. Have fun with the NT and do whatever you want to it. Its a good car to learn on. You'll see if you like the show thing or the go thing more and you'll be able to focus on it with your next car selection. But don't expect much body kit and wing advice from people here, we don't really do that stuff.

For shits and giggles here's some pics of my first car that I thought was "fast" at the time... all 16 agonizing seconds of it.

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[justin0469]

its a saturn